The future of Japan air force

KYli said:

F2 do not cost four times more than F16C/D. F2 cost about 108 milion a piece. F16C/D jets cost around 70-80 miliion with package including spare parts, maintenance, training. Depend on how you caculate it F2 is about 30-40 miliion more than F16.

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And F-16C/D costs $25M, add weapons in Japan's case then it would go up to about $35M a piece. That's about 3x less than the F-2. Italy bought old second-hand F-16s from the US to fill the gap before the Eurofighter is inducted.

FuManChu said:

I meant that Japan could try to justify it by saying they were buying from the U.K. and not "Europe". It is highly unlikely that they would buy the Typhoon, but I can't believe that Japan would never buy anything from us just because we're geographically part of Europe. We're not the U.S., but we have a close relationship nonetheless.

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we are talking about planes here, that will be about billions of dollar. I don't think US will let any countries even UK to take this order.

F16C/D costs 25millions

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I don't know where you get the 25milion figure, but for a new F16c/d will definite costs more than that.

Recently Pakistan asked for f16C/D which costs for 40-45 million each, and this is not the latest model.
Lockheed compete for a potential 9 billion dollars in India for as many as 126 combat aircraft. It costs around 70 million each, off course it includes spare parts, training and etc.
UAE also buy some F16C/D block 60 for around 70 million each.

I think F16C/D will at least costs over 40 millions.

if you add the pods, missiles, pgms, servicing and simulators, it would average out to 75 million each like in the Greek deal. Let's face it, when you are making a purchase, you are not just getting the fighter itself. Everything comes as part of the package.

Anyhow, JSF is probably the ideal choice for Japan, but F-22 does sound likely considering how early the Japanese got the F-15s.

KYli said:

I don't know where you get the 25milion figure, but for a new F16c/d will definite costs more than that.

Recently Pakistan asked for f16C/D which costs for 40-45 million each, and this is not the latest model.
Lockheed compete for a potential 9 billion dollars in India for as many as 126 combat aircraft. It costs around 70 million each, off course it includes spare parts, training and etc.
UAE also buy some F16C/D block 60 for around 70 million each.

I think F16C/D will at least costs over 40 millions.

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I got that from Global Security and the official USAF site. Check for yourself. Japan already has the weapons that would be fitted onto the F-16, they would just need a few systems and some training. So I say $35M.

DPRKUnderground said:

I got that from Global Security and the official USAF site. Check for yourself. Japan already has the weapons that would be fitted onto the F-16, they would just need a few systems and some training. So I say $35M.

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I know about Global security site, and i have already read it many time. Japan already has some weapons, but Japan do need some new weapons for these new planes. You just don't want to put old missiles into new planes, if you could buy better missiles to use. The price that list in these website is just a nake price tag, you need to include weapons, pods, training and maintainence. And these will increase the price significantly, you just don't buy planes without package and parts. If you check the recent purchase of F16, there are no single nation that only buy planes. Even countries that are operating F16 before such as Pakistan, they still buy in package. Off cource they could save some money, but it is not that much. Check the UAE and Greek or many others nations, all of them buy F16 at a cost of 70 million up for each.

The UAE has the newest versionof the F-16 and it's fitted with a radar that costs about $25M. That ups the price. The Greek F-16s, well they need a lot of equipment for those.

Just face it. There is no way you could get a F16C/D for 25-35million dollars.
Japan still need to buy in package, they never operate F16 before. Japan might spend less on some items, but it is going to cost over 50 million for the least. For example, Pakistan which are not getting the latest model and has been operate F16A/B still need to spend over 40-45 million for each.

KYli said:

Just face it. There is no way you could get a F16C/D for 25-35million dollars.
Japan still need to buy in package, they never operate F16 before. Japan might spend less on some items, but it is going to cost over 50 million for the least. For example, Pakistan which are not getting the latest model and has been operate F16A/B still need to spend over 40-45 million for each.

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I tmight be less b/c there is the possibility that the systems and weapons will be in the aid package. But Japan would most likely get second-hand F-16s which would be cheaper, making it like 30M.

DPRKUnderground said:

I tmight be less b/c there is the possibility that the systems and weapons will be in the aid package. But Japan would most likely get second-hand F-16s which would be cheaper, making it like 30M.

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You are kidding me right. Japan will never get any second hand F16, because they have money to spend for something better. Japan military budgets is about 45 billion dollars. They could afford anything, and certanly they will not buy any second hand fighters. Japan do not need aid package, there are no reason for US to give Japan aid package.

KYli said:

You are kidding me right. Japan will never get any second hand F16, because they have money to spend for something better. Japan military budgets is about 45 billion dollars. They could afford anything, and certanly they will not buy any second hand fighters. Japan do not need aid package, there are no reason for US to give Japan aid package.

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I know they won't give japan an aid package with all of that stuff. I'm just saying that's the case for Pakistan. But Italy bought second-hand F-16s, they're cool with it. And that would only be a stop gap fighter for like 5-7 years. Why spend $45M on a brand new F-16 you would only use for 5-7 years, when you could get a used one for $30M.