The Building of America's next "super" Carrier

MIGleader said:

it would be very interesting if someone somehow managed to obtain a super carrier from the u.s. if china can aquire enough u.s debt, they could threaten the u.s to pay its dues or surrender some weapons to pay those dues.

stealing one is not so realistic

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No offense MIG but the US would never give up a super carrrier like that. Not going to happen.

EternalVigil said:

No offense MIG but the US would never give up a super carrrier like that. Not going to happen.

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Agreed.

EternalVigil said:

No offense MIG but the US would never give up a super carrrier like that. Not going to happen.

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ah...its not impossible. someday, its either u give up your supercarrier or u give up your treasury. not in the near future, but maybe.

but china doesnt need a super carrier. a medium one is fine.

MIGleader said:

ah...its not impossible. someday, its either u give up your supercarrier or u give up your treasury. not in the near future, but maybe.

but china doesnt need a super carrier. a medium one is fine.

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Lets put it this way if china starts being aggressive saying give up your treasury or carriers. Then the US government will see that as a hostile act and probably cancel all chinese bought debt in the first place.

EternalVigil said:

Lets put it this way if china starts being agressive saying give up your treasury or carriers. Then the US government will see that as a hostile act and probably cancel all chinese bought debt in the first place.

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you cant just cancel debt. china will release it, causing inflation

MIGleader said:

ah...its not impossible. someday, its either u give up your supercarrier or u give up your treasury.

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It is certainly not impossible for the Chinese to consider, or even make such a statement and attempt at blackmail...but it would not produce the desired results. Rather, it is much more likely to produce a major, very serious, trade war...and the PRC would still not have the old carrier.

MIGleader said:

you cant just cancel debt. china will release it, causing inflation

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China and others who buy bonds has an IOU from the federal reserve the US still has the hard currency. If a war or hostilities broke out against the US and China, the US could and proabably would nullify chinas holdings in US treasury bonds. The chinese then would need to try to get the EU to trade US treasury bonds for Euro currency, which with the EU being NATO allies would be a tough sell for china. So lets all play nice.

EternalVigil said:

China and others who buy bonds has an IOU from the federal reserve the US still has the hard currency. If a war or hostilities broke out against the US and China, the US could and proabably would nullify chinas holdings in US treasury bonds. The chinese then would need to try to get the EU to trade US treasury bonds for Euro currency, which with the EU being NATO allies would be a tough sell for china. So lets all play nice.

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Good analysis. I believe spot on too. ...and let's hope we all continue to do just that, play nice,

Originally Posted by EternalVigil
No offense MIG but the US would never give up a super carrrier like that. Not going to happen.

Agreed.


I think its a little more complex. the states that the us would sell the carrier to wouldnt buy it (UK, for example...), and the nations that want it are the nations that the us would never give it to. remember the high level of tech transfer between the brits and the americans, from joint harrier design to "burlington" aka "chobham" and so forth. the sale of this tech and an actual vessel to someone like the uk would not be a problem, but the uk has no interest aka funds to buy it. do you really think the us would refuse to sell an older and in their navy obsolete carrier to the uk?

remember, britain has sold older carriers to india for example and so on...

Guderian

Guderian said:

do you really think the us would refuse to sell an older and in their navy obsolete carrier to the uk?

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If it is one of the supercarriers...yes.

The US has five or more sitting around now. The UK is pursuing building their own, as is Spain, Italy, France, and other allies...including potentially Australia. There is no talk of purchasing or selling an existing US super carrier. All of the even older, smaller ones have already been disposed of.