The AK-47 In Special Operations

isthvan

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Gollevainen said:
...But the thing is, no assault rifles are designed for situation where they overheats. That task is preserved to the LMGs like RPKs wich have fast-changing barrels...

That’s right Golly. Assault rifles aren’t designed as squad support weapons and there is no AR that can sustain high rate of fire without overheating... EVERY AR will overheat if you fire at full auto for prolonged period of time… There are no exceptions.

sumdud said:
Yes, the AK-47 can't be customized much. There is no space to fit silencers (Front sight too front). I don't think there is any place on the gun to fit sights either. I imagine a better case for the AK-103.

There is large amount of commercial add-ons that can be fitted on any AK variant… Even older non customized AK family rifles can use silencers and sights whit few mod. (for example AK-74 family equipped whit NSPU night sights).

Here is picture of Hungarian AK w. silencer
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AK-74n whit night optics
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sumdud

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Thanks for the pics, isthvan.
That silencer was screwed on through the front right? The AK-47 has barely any space before its front sight.

Didn't the Afghan locals then recognize the differences of the guns?
 

isthvan

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sumdud said:
Thanks for the pics, isthvan.
That silencer was screwed on through the front right? The AK-47 has barely any space before its front sight.

Once end cap covering the barrel tip has been removed you jost screw silencer on its place...

sumdud said:
Didn't the Afghan locals then recognize the differences of the guns?

Sights and silencers are detachable; you can take them from your rifle and later put them on… They were used in covert, night operations and there was little chance that any local see them in this conditions…
Before you attach them to your rifle it looks joust like any other AK around… Besides like any special operation unit Spetsnaz operators tend not to be seen…
 

FreeAsia2000

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sumdud said:
Thanks for the pics, isthvan.
That silencer was screwed on through the front right? The AK-47 has barely any space before its front sight.

Didn't the Afghan locals then recognize the differences of the guns?

:roll:

Sumdud that's a VERY good question

How on earth are they supposed to blend in when Afghans are one of the
most tribally conscious people on the planet ?

My dad used to be able to tell Sikhs from different area's of India just by their
looks and the way the turban was tied...
 

isthvan

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FreeAsia2000 said:
:roll:

Sumdud that's a VERY good question

How on earth are they supposed to blend in when Afghans are one of the
most tribally conscious people on the planet ?

My dad used to be able to tell Sikhs from different area's of India just by their
looks and the way the turban was tied...

While Afghans are one of the most tribally conscious people on the planet during Soviet invasion all tribes were fighting together against soviets… Since Afghanistan has so much tribal and ethnic groups, plus foreign volunteers I would believe that Soviets could use such tactics (since CCCP also had soldiers form different ethnic groups plus local supporters)…Besides that isn’t my imagination but soviet report…
Please tell me how you would recognize group of armed people dressed in local clothes that are passing near your village as Soviets and not joust another mujahadin group?
 

FreeAsia2000

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isthvan said:
While Afghans are one of the most tribally conscious people on the planet during Soviet invasion all tribes were fighting together against soviets… Since Afghanistan has so much tribal and ethnic groups, plus foreign volunteers I would believe that Soviets could use such tactics (since CCCP also had soldiers form different ethnic groups plus local supporters)…Besides that isn’t my imagination but soviet report…
Please tell me how you would recognize group of armed people dressed in local clothes that are passing near your village as Soviets and not joust another mujahadin group?

:roll:

ok lets run through this

1. The soviets discovered that many of those 'ethnic groups' had sympathies
with the Mujahideen and in fact some of them learnt some lessons from the
experience which they took back to Central Asia and the Caucasus.

2. In Afghanistan the majority population 70% are Pashtuns. Pashtuns are
the worlds largest patriararchal clan

The Pashtuns are the world's largest segmentary lineage (patriarchal) tribal group in existence.[10]

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Which means that Pashtuns despite being divided into sub-tribes know
precisely who is related to who and how. Indeed they memorise lineages
and the reasons why any particular sub-tribe arose.

Thus anybody pretending to be a Pashtun would rapidly be discovered.

3. Afghan villages are not just villages they are virtually forts and lookout
is maintained by sentries to detect intruders.

and with good reason

But there was a far greater tragedy to confront the men when they reached Hajibirgit. In their absence – without guns to defend the homes, and with the village elder dead and many of the menfolk prisoners of the Americans – thieves had descended on Hajibirgit. A group of men from Helmand province, whose leader is Abdul Rahman Khan – once a brutal and rapacious "mujahid" fighter against the Russians, and now a Karzai government police commander – raided the village once the Americans had taken away so many of the men. Ninety-five of the 105 families had fled into the hills, leaving their mud homes to be pillaged.

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4. It's strange that one invader after another has assumed that Afghans are
some yokel tribespeople who they can impress with beads...Afghans have
been exploring the neighbouring countries for generations and maintain
a oral historical tradition going back thousands of years...which means
they never ever forgive or forget a wrong

They are a bit like the Haruchai described in Steven Donaldson's books.
 
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isthvan

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Mate I don’t have any problems whit your explanations and I see your point… Like I said I’m only stating Ukrainian claims… I don’t have any possible way to prove them wrong or right, all I have is old article from time of the CCCP brake up… I don’t have any info about ethnic background of the troops, missions they conducted or any info besides that what I have already posted… So you can choose to believe it or not to believe it…
 

FreeAsia2000

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isthvan said:
Mate I don’t have any problems whit your explanations and I see your point… Like I said I’m only stating Ukrainian claims… I don’t have any possible way to prove them wrong or right, all I have is old article from time of the CCCP brake up… I don’t have any info about ethnic background of the troops, missions they conducted or any info besides that what I have already posted… So you can choose to believe it or not to believe it…

No worries mate. My ancestors migrated from there a couple of hundred years
ago and although we're pretty 'urbanised' i'm constantly surprised at how easy
it is for somebody to talk about how we share a great-great-great-great grandfather with somebody :D

If you watch the Godfather part 1 the environment is a bit like that. :)
 
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