Teeth of TZ----PLA's elite special force

utelore · Nov 18, 2005

migleader, the teloscopic site is for longer ranges. the "red-dot/relex/aimpoint" site you are talking about is for closer ranges were getting a good site picture is not needed.as far as the other issues I agree. very very low tech stuff my police dept is better equiped than this....cheers ute.

MIGleader · Nov 18, 2005

perhaps no advanced equipment was displayed because these are merely pics of a training unit, or a unit about to engage in a small exercise. im sure the pla's most elite units would have many more toys than this.

adeptitus · Nov 18, 2005

utelore said:
migleader, the teloscopic site is for longer ranges. the "red-dot/relex/aimpoint" site you are talking about is for closer ranges were getting a good site picture is not needed.as far as the other issues I agree. very very low tech stuff my police dept is better equiped than this....cheers ute.

Your police department doesn't have RPG's.

But seriously, if there's a need for some specialized equipment, I'm sure they can afford to get it for a small special forces squad.

utelore · Nov 18, 2005

Yes, I dont think this is indecitive of the best the PRC can field for its SF units. I have seen pics that show PRC airborne units with sys simular to the U.S Land warrior program and such. these pic only tell a tale for those few men and not the whole.

Red Guard · Nov 18, 2005

utelore said:
Yes, I dont think this is indecitive of the best the PRC can field for its SF units. I have seen pics that show PRC airborne units with sys simular to the U.S Land warrior program and such. these pic only tell a tale for those few men and not the whole.

those were not airbornes. but i think i know which pic you are talking about. mostly those things are being tested on field with some other troops dressed like them.....

rommel · Nov 18, 2005

utelore said:
migleader, the teloscopic site is for longer ranges. the "red-dot/relex/aimpoint" site you are talking about is for closer ranges were getting a good site picture is not needed.as far as the other issues I agree. very very low tech stuff my police dept is better equiped than this....cheers ute.

well, ute, it was actullay me who said something about the scope and other system, not mig, I think that the telescopic sight is not good because first, it's good mainly for long range, second, it narrow your vision field when you are aiming with because you can't aim it with both eye unlike some low-intensity reflex/red dot, and third, the tele sight is on a Type 95 rifle, but the 95 should have similar performance to the M16 in term of range, but I rarely seen a telescopic sight on a M16 or a C7, because they just can't shoot to this kind of far with accuracy.

Red Guard said:
ike a canadian recruiting officer told me. special force's main function is to go in somewhere find what the enemy is doing and coming back without no one knows about it. that's pretty true to chinese special force. their job is mostly about recon, as in many chinese folks' mind the best soldiers are the "recon soldiers". therefore those stuff you have mentioned are pretty useless to pla. on another hand, chinese army is still a very "after time" army. their motto is to not let the weaponaries fit to the personels, but to let the personels fit to the the weaponaries. therefore they use almost the same weaponaries with the regular soldiers and they have to make the job triple.
from my own point of view, you are just thinking in your western army way, we chinese think in the other way around. chairman mao said :" you have your own way of fighting the war, and i have mine."

I totally agree with you, but what I mention lacking is what I think necessary, for exemple, the NVG, instead they show us a flare gun. If you attack with flare during night, the ennemy will be see you as well as you see him, the NVG are more "stealth".I don't need to re-explain my view about the sight. And radio, if your infantry team or squad don't have a good communication capability, how they could coordinate they action when they are 100m away of each other ??

So, it's true that I have the way of thinking of a western soldier (since I'm myself a canadian infantrymen) but I also think with the need of the soldier. Some need are universal, every soldier will agree.

utelore · Nov 19, 2005

sorry rommel, I thought it was mig when i posted....anyway I think the red-dot sight is great. I would use it for 50 to 200 meter targets. after that I think would would want a telescopic site. but that is just me. I also think Iron sites are just fine to. I think it is up to the individual warrior and what he likes and is confident with. I think for me if I was poping targets at 500 meters with my M16A2 or M4 I would like to have a Telescopic site. I am fairly confident I can also hit none moving targets at 500 meters with iron sites also.

ahho · Nov 19, 2005

Maybe the scout could use their gun as a binoc, also the telescopic for type-95 should not be a concern on what distance it is being used, maybe it just add some precision to it even at short range.

I think the flare are not for illuminating but for planes or choppers to know the exact location of troops where it may not be detectable. As you said, it is pretty dangerous

Red Guard · Nov 19, 2005

hey, rommel, did i sound like rude? if so, i am sorry, i didn't mean to be rude.
first about the NVGs, regular PLA personnels now are trained of using NVGs, you guys are not chinese so you don't go to chinese military forum, it was first seen by me as early as the 97. well, it's not very early for the americans, but that comfired we do use NVG for regular infantry divisions. but NVGs are too expensive for mess infantry troops, so i guess they just train on them and won't be issued until the war is here. and that thing, hehehe, sorry buddy, it's not a flare gun. i was stunned by you said flare, but i was on my way to school, so i didn't bother to look up. it's not a flare gun, it's a signal pistol. it....well...i could be one of the oldest equipment in PLA, and i think they didn't make any modern upgrade on that thing, it's just a piece of simple mechanism. i first seen that on the soviet WWII movie, if Aluka is here he probably saw it, it's called "liberation". that pistol is used to fire up a signal flare to the sky to direct the troops. mostly it's telling them to charge to such point or ..you know..signals ....it's not used to lighten up the field.....i am surprised you don't know that......
red dot is pretty much a piece of advanced equipment, i still don't really know the tech behind it. and i did see one of that thing was mounted on a 81 rifle, but i don't think the army are satisfied with that. chinese soldiers are very very very different from you guys, they don't think in the same way you do, and from your mind you would think they are crazy and strange to think in their way. hey, i was never served in the PLA, which i am expecting next summer, i guess once i did, i will give you an answer about that.
peace, comrade.

about the radio. i am not really a fan of radios, i want to get a set of those, i think that radio is called "silicon 2 watts", it's one of the oldest radio in the army, they have new stuff now, but PLA likes to keep the old gear around, they are just not showing and the squad radio, they do have that, it's made by mortorola ( forgot how to spell that).

rommel · Nov 19, 2005

Red Guard said:
hey, rommel, did i sound like rude? if so, i am sorry, i didn't mean to be rude.
first about the NVGs, regular PLA personnels now are trained of using NVGs, you guys are not chinese so you don't go to chinese military forum, it was first seen by me as early as the 97. well, it's not very early for the americans, but that comfired we do use NVG for regular infantry divisions. but NVGs are too expensive for mess infantry troops, so i guess they just train on them and won't be issued until the war is here. and that thing, hehehe, sorry buddy, it's not a flare gun. i was stunned by you said flare, but i was on my way to school, so i didn't bother to look up. it's not a flare gun, it's a signal pistol. it....well...i could be one of the oldest equipment in PLA, and i think they didn't make any modern upgrade on that thing, it's just a piece of simple mechanism. i first seen that on the soviet WWII movie, if Aluka is here he probably saw it, it's called "liberation". that pistol is used to fire up a signal flare to the sky to direct the troops. mostly it's telling them to charge to such point or ..you know..signals ....it's not used to lighten up the field.....i am surprised you don't know that......
red dot is pretty much a piece of advanced equipment, i still don't really know the tech behind it. and i did see one of that thing was mounted on a 81 rifle, but i don't think the army are satisfied with that. chinese soldiers are very very very different from you guys, they don't think in the same way you do, and from your mind you would think they are crazy and strange to think in their way. hey, i was never served in the PLA, which i am expecting next summer, i guess once i did, i will give you an answer about that.
peace, comrade.

about the radio. i am not really a fan of radios, i want to get a set of those, i think that radio is called "silicon 2 watts", it's one of the oldest radio in the army, they have new stuff now, but PLA likes to keep the old gear around, they are just not showing and the squad radio, they do have that, it's made by mortorola ( forgot how to spell that).

Oh, you know, flare can be shot by signal pistol too, basically, both are the same thing, it's only the cartrige that are different, or maybe different in the PLA because in the NATO, signal shot are a kind of color flare. The illumination flare is made of white magnesium basically and red signal of magnesium + a second chemical counpound to add some color, but it's the same kind of "bullet". A "flame" ball with a parachute. So a flare gun can fire as well some signal and a signal gun can fire as well flare (well, both are the same thing) Still, I can't know much about it since we use mortar for illumination and we have radio to give signals

ahho said:
Maybe the scout could use their gun as a binoc, also the telescopic for type-95 should not be a concern on what distance it is being used, maybe it just add some precision to it even at short range.

I think the flare are not for illuminating but for planes or choppers to know the exact location of troops where it may not be detectable. As you said, it is pretty dangerous

Well, the sight mounted on the Type 95 shown lower is a 4x, so it's not a 6x or 8x scope use on most NATO sniper rifle for 550m-800m target shooting, but still, I think that it's too "big" for a assault rifle, I can agree with utelore when he said the tele sight is good when you want to take out a target over 500m, but do most assault rifle don't have that kind of accuracy execept maybe the M16A2 because of his long barrel. And at short range, a telescopic sight is worst since it narrow your field of vision when you are aiming with. It's better a red dot/reflex

Teeth of TZ----PLA's elite special force

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