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I did not know that. I suppose that there is more interest on this issue in Congress then I thought. However I still can't see many congressmen getting worked up about it.

Well, the Caucus will certainly push for it. Then there's also other representatives located in production areas, those who supply the production lines with parts, materials, etc. In comparison, there aren't any groups that are going to really want to oppose it.

So there won't be any Congressional opposition, only support - it will come down to the White House and who Bush will listen to.
 

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I've been told that RAM hasn't been offered to Taiwan. It's a US-German project - does that mean the Germans can veto a sale? If so it's unlikely they'll allow it being offered to Taiwan anytime soon.

Technically RAM is a self-defense weapon, so there should be less opposition to its export. However if it's ever sold to ROCN, I suspect it'd be the less capable variant (Sea RAM?) at inflated prices.

The issue here is that the ROCN is expected to act as a shield and sink any PLAN ships that comes through the Taiwan Strait, which is approx. 130km-180km. At the rate that AShM's are increasing in its effective distance, I expect the PLA/PLAN to be able to shoot at ROCN ships without leaving their own coastal bases.

The number of missiles that a ship can carry is very limited by space and weight restrictions, versus land-based systems have virtually unlimited space/weight. So in an extended battle of attrition, the ROCN ships are at an absolute disadvantage. Fitting ancient SM-1 box launchers, or installing new RAM systems would only be useful for self-defense in skirmishes, or one-time incidents.

On the flip side, the same advantage can be enjoyed by the ROCA/ROCN, should they field many land-based mobile AShM systems, along with an effective air force and air defense system to protect them. Most strike aircraft can only carry 2-4 anti-ship missiles, but if the enemy is confined to an area no more than 180km wide, you could always send the target data back to base and have ground-based missile battery send a salvo of anti-ship missiles over. As the defending side, the ROCA/ROCN only needs to sink PLAN transports to "win".
 
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At the rate that AShM's are increasing in its effective distance, I expect the PLA/PLAN to be able to shoot at ROCN ships without leaving their own coastal bases.

You do realise it's not just about the missiles having the theoretical range. It's about what they're effective maximum range is and what distance the ship's systems can properly track the missile at.
 

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At the rate that AShM's are increasing in its effective distance, I expect the PLA/PLAN to be able to shoot at ROCN ships without leaving their own coastal bases.

The same also applies the other way around; some sources say that Taiwan's HF-3 has a range of 300 to even 600 km.
 

Clouded Leopard

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Now, has anyone got more news on HF-3 since last year? The last thing I heard about HF-3 was that a budget had been allocated for the production of 120 missiles. Has the missile finished production, and are they making future batches of the missile (so that Taiwan can have more than 120?)
 

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You do realise it's not just about the missiles having the theoretical range. It's about what they're effective maximum range is and what distance the ship's systems can properly track the missile at.

Aye, but from observation we've seen the effective range of missiles and sensors increase with every generation, versus the confined area of Taiwan Strait won't get any wider.
 

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HF3 are pretty huge, dount it can be fitted in smaller ships or air launched, but land based HF3 will be quite formidable, provided that the tracking system is asvanced enough, anyone got any info about its tracking system?
 

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HF3 are pretty huge, dount it can be fitted in smaller ships or air launched, but land based HF3 will be quite formidable, provided that the tracking system is asvanced enough, anyone got any info about its tracking system?

What's the speed of the HF-3? I had heard rumours that it was hypersonic (like the Sunburn) but I'm fairly certain that its just supersonic.
 
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Aye, but from observation we've seen the effective range of missiles and sensors increase with every generation, versus the confined area of Taiwan Strait won't get any wider.

Well, you only mentioned the missiles, not the sensors. Obviously at some point the latter will become more efficient - it depends when that is. But just as offensive capabilities become stronger, so do defensive ones.

I think one has to deal with what is on the cards at the moment, rather than speculate too much about what may happen.

As to the HF-III, reported speed is about Mach 2.5.
 
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Taiwan and the United States have launched a 24-hour military hotline to facilitate joint reaction to military clashes in the Taiwan Strait, a newspaper said on Friday.

The China Times, quoting an unnamed military official, said Taiwan has linked up its Hengshan Command Headquarters with the US Pacific Command, to communicate by phone any time of the day.
 
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