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And that ain't a Perry class frigate; that's a Knox class frigate.
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And that ain't a Perry class frigate; that's a Knox class frigate.
OHP class frigates actually don't have that dip behind the helipad, the helipad extends all the way to the stern and a CIWS is located on top.
My mistake -- that's a Knox class and not OH Perry.
On OH Perry class ships the Phalanx CIWS is mounted on top of the helicopter hanger. I believe this position offers greater area of coverage (larger firing arc) but not necessarily superior to a CIWS system mounted closer to the water-line.
On US Knox-class ships, the Phalanx CIWS position was originally used for a MK-25 8-cel Sea Sparrow box-launcher. The box launchers were later retired by USN and replaced with a CIWS gun. Thus, the position of the gun was not placed by initial design.
I just thought the gun's position would limit its firing arc by the helicopter pad. They did install it on an elevated platform.
On OH Perry class ships the Phalanx CIWS is mounted on top of the helicopter hanger. I believe this position offers greater area of coverage (larger firing arc) but not necessarily superior to a CIWS system mounted closer to the water-line.
On US Knox-class ships, the Phalanx CIWS position was originally used for a MK-25 8-cel Sea Sparrow box-launcher. The box launchers were later retired by USN and replaced with a CIWS gun. Thus, the position of the gun was not placed by initial design.
I just thought the gun's position would limit its firing arc by the helicopter pad. They did install it on an elevated platform.
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It certainly restricts it, as all single mount CIWS systems are restricted.
How much depends on the height or elevation required for the incoming target, as well as the angle of attack, which a good skipper will adjust as best he can by positioning the vessel to give the best target aspect for the CIWS.
My guess is that all of those considerations (ie. height of heli-pad and the arc restrictions, as well as the superstructure and its arc restrictions) are all programmed into the Phalanx.
On another note, that is an EXCELLENT pic of the . One of the best I have seen. I'll make good use of it on my site.
Shows very well all ten Standard Missle launchers, which added significantly to the AAW capabilities of these vessels.
Good to see the old Knox class being taken good care of.
The procurement of F-16s ever going to happen?
"On May 9, the Washington Times quoted an unnamed Pentagon source as saying the U.S. Pacific Command wants to speed up the F-16C/D sale, but the State Department wants to postpone the sale until after the Aug. 8-24 Beijing Olympics so as not to irritate China."
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"On May 9, the Washington Times quoted an unnamed Pentagon source as saying the U.S. Pacific Command wants to speed up the F-16C/D sale, but the State Department wants to postpone the sale until after the Aug. 8-24 Beijing Olympics so as not to irritate China."
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Taiwan Releases Defense White Paper
Taiwan's Defense Ministry has just released their biennial "White Paper," describing their views on the balance of power across the Taiwan strait:
I don't think that there are any real surprises here. To quote from Taiwan's official assessment of China's overall military strategy:
The rest of the report is likewise much as would be expected, underlining China's rapid growth in defense spending (which matches the rapid growth in China's economy). The level of detail and depth (regarding both China's and modernization plans and Taiwan's) is somewhat less than I would have hoped for.
Taiwan's Defense Ministry has just released their biennial "White Paper," describing their views on the balance of power across the Taiwan strait:
I don't think that there are any real surprises here. To quote from Taiwan's official assessment of China's overall military strategy:
Sounds like it could have been lifted directly from the annual US Defense Department report.
The rest of the report is likewise much as would be expected, underlining China's rapid growth in defense spending (which matches the rapid growth in China's economy). The level of detail and depth (regarding both China's and modernization plans and Taiwan's) is somewhat less than I would have hoped for.
US could be ready to sell F-16s to Taiwan: official
ANNOUNCEMENT: The military’s budget request in 2006 showed that the Cabinet had allocated NT$16.03 billion for F-16s, even before US approval
By Rich Chang
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008, Page 2
An Air Force official yesterday told the legislature that the US could announce the approval of the sale of F-16C/D fighter aircraft to Taiwan as early as June.
“We have learned that the US military supports the F-16 deal and are optimistic that the US might announce the sale after May,” Air Force Chief of Staff Major General Liu Chen-wu (劉震武) told the legislature’s Diplomacy and National Defense Committee.
He said the military was awaiting the announcement.
The military expected to sign a letter of offer and acceptance for the deal in November and that at the time the military offered to make an initial payment of NT$19.9 billion (US$653.8 million), he said.
The military’s budget request in 2006 showed that the Cabinet had allocated NT$16.03 billion to begin the procurement of F-16s, even though Washington had yet to approve the deal.
The initial payment was only a fraction of the total cost for 66 aircraft. But the funds were returned after the US did not approve the arms deal.
The legislature set aside NT$20 billion for the purchase of F-16s last year, but it requested that the funds be frozen until the deal was approved.
Liu made the presentation to the legislative committee with the hope that the committee could support funding for the acquisition.
The committee agreed yesterday to unfreeze the funds if and when the US has announced the deal.
It's about damn time they sold us some new F-16s. BTW If you guys didn't know Taiwan got rejected in the World Health Assembly again with China saying that it deeply cares about its "Taiwan Compatriots" and that it has done all that "it" can do give "all" of the information from the WHO to Taiwan. Oh yea and the new defence white paper from Taiwan comes with a DVD containing footage of the Taiwanese military that is if you get the actual book.
ANNOUNCEMENT: The military’s budget request in 2006 showed that the Cabinet had allocated NT$16.03 billion for F-16s, even before US approval
By Rich Chang
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008, Page 2
An Air Force official yesterday told the legislature that the US could announce the approval of the sale of F-16C/D fighter aircraft to Taiwan as early as June.
“We have learned that the US military supports the F-16 deal and are optimistic that the US might announce the sale after May,” Air Force Chief of Staff Major General Liu Chen-wu (劉震武) told the legislature’s Diplomacy and National Defense Committee.
He said the military was awaiting the announcement.
The military expected to sign a letter of offer and acceptance for the deal in November and that at the time the military offered to make an initial payment of NT$19.9 billion (US$653.8 million), he said.
The military’s budget request in 2006 showed that the Cabinet had allocated NT$16.03 billion to begin the procurement of F-16s, even though Washington had yet to approve the deal.
The initial payment was only a fraction of the total cost for 66 aircraft. But the funds were returned after the US did not approve the arms deal.
The legislature set aside NT$20 billion for the purchase of F-16s last year, but it requested that the funds be frozen until the deal was approved.
Liu made the presentation to the legislative committee with the hope that the committee could support funding for the acquisition.
The committee agreed yesterday to unfreeze the funds if and when the US has announced the deal.
It's about damn time they sold us some new F-16s. BTW If you guys didn't know Taiwan got rejected in the World Health Assembly again with China saying that it deeply cares about its "Taiwan Compatriots" and that it has done all that "it" can do give "all" of the information from the WHO to Taiwan. Oh yea and the new defence white paper from Taiwan comes with a DVD containing footage of the Taiwanese military that is if you get the actual book.
Taiwan to cut military numbers by 70,000
Posted : Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:05 GMT
Author : DPA
Taipei - Taiwan's new Defence Minister Chen Chao-min Wednesday said he plans to reduce the number of the island's military personnel from the current 270,000 to 200,000. "The ministry will fully review various branches of the military in line with its streamlining programme," he said in a parliament meeting aired by the cable news channel ETTV.
On his first working day after he was sworn in to his post Tuesday, Chen told parliamentarians that the streamlining would include all ranks of military personnel, not just low-ranking soldiers.
Chen did not give a timetable for the troop reductions. He said Taiwan would continue with its push to buy F-16 fighters jets from the US and would review its policy to purchase US submarines.
President Ma Ying-jeou, who was inaugurated Tuesday, said Taiwan would not get involved in an arms race with rival China though it would continue to buy defensive arms.
"We will not engage in an arms race with mainland China because it is not in our interests and we would not be able to afford that," he said during a news conference in Taipei.
Taiwan and China split at the end of a civil war in 1949. Beijing, which considers Taiwan a part a China, has said it would attack the island if it declares independence.
= This is a disgrace! Taiwan is getting too close, what if China just all of a sudden decides to attack? Who will defend us? A weaker and unmanned Taiwanese army. So much for the Hard ROC policy by the president of Taiwan. =
Posted : Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:05 GMT
Author : DPA
Taipei - Taiwan's new Defence Minister Chen Chao-min Wednesday said he plans to reduce the number of the island's military personnel from the current 270,000 to 200,000. "The ministry will fully review various branches of the military in line with its streamlining programme," he said in a parliament meeting aired by the cable news channel ETTV.
On his first working day after he was sworn in to his post Tuesday, Chen told parliamentarians that the streamlining would include all ranks of military personnel, not just low-ranking soldiers.
Chen did not give a timetable for the troop reductions. He said Taiwan would continue with its push to buy F-16 fighters jets from the US and would review its policy to purchase US submarines.
President Ma Ying-jeou, who was inaugurated Tuesday, said Taiwan would not get involved in an arms race with rival China though it would continue to buy defensive arms.
"We will not engage in an arms race with mainland China because it is not in our interests and we would not be able to afford that," he said during a news conference in Taipei.
Taiwan and China split at the end of a civil war in 1949. Beijing, which considers Taiwan a part a China, has said it would attack the island if it declares independence.
= This is a disgrace! Taiwan is getting too close, what if China just all of a sudden decides to attack? Who will defend us? A weaker and unmanned Taiwanese army. So much for the Hard ROC policy by the president of Taiwan. =
Hi Jeff,
Glad you liked the pic! I do have a question about the ship specs on your page:
Under the "Armament" section, you listed:
4 x Harpoon SSM
12 x ASROC ASW Missiles
As far as I know, the Knox class ships were originally fitted with a single Mk.16 8-cel box launcher in front for ASROC, and a Mk.25 8-cel box launcher in rear for Sea Sparrow SAM. The aft box launcher were replaced by a single Phalanx CIWS gun.
If I'm not mistaken, while on patrol the ROCN Knox ships carry either 4 x Harpoon SSM + 4 x ASROC, or 2 x Harpoon SSM + 6 x ASROC (ASW role) with no reloads?
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The actual loadout in the 8 cell box launcher is 2X Harpoon and 6X Asroc. I had been informed that the ROCN had a set of reloads for the box launcher onboard but that may in fact not be the case. I will research it and make changes if I cannot confirm it.