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Andy1974 said:
After 2050, will China be richer than Taiwan? More ecological and beautiful? More efficient, more longer lived and happier?

If so, the Taiwanese people might want to reunify of their own accord, which would be the greatest victory of all. Very Sun Tzu.
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it doesn't work this way.

Skywatcher said:
unless they decided to reduce it to a maximum three internal BVRAAM, but at that point you might as well not bother building a fighter at all
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So F-35 is pointless?
The useful minimum is actually two. Theoretically, it's also an optimum for the point defense intercept scenario.
Yes, the practice has always shown that 4>2, but when you can't fit more, 2 is useful enough.
 
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Gloire_bb said:
it doesn't work this way.


So F-35 is pointless?
The useful minimum is actually two. Theoretically, it's also an optimum for the point defense intercept scenario.
Yes, the practice has always shown that 4>2, but when you can't fit more, 2 is useful enough.
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Why is two the theoretical optimum?
 
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silentlurker said:
Why is two the theoretical optimum?
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Ingress - launch 2, thus satisfying probability theory gods - get the hell out w/o staying in for too long. You don't have this "long" if you're scrambling at full AB anyways.
Realistic optimum ended up being 4 ... but we had few 100% suitable points of reference since 1944, so there is some logic in going for 2 BVR missiles(they don't have engines for 4 anyways).

It's worth noting, however, that many light 4th gens typically fly 2+2 intercepts(J-10 being a nice example here), or often - 2 WVR only.
 
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Gloire_bb said:
it doesn't work this way.


So F-35 is pointless?
The useful minimum is actually two. Theoretically, it's also an optimum for the point defense intercept scenario.
Yes, the practice has always shown that 4>2, but when you can't fit more, 2 is useful enough.
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A theoretical ROCAF stealth fighter (whether domestic or import) would need to have at least 4 BVRAAMs, as they're going to be massively outnumbered.
 
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Skywatcher said:
A theoretical ROCAF stealth fighter (whether domestic or import) would need to have at least 4 BVRAAMs, as they're going to be massively outnumbered.
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If you're outnumbered - get the hell out even faster. Better bite something and get back to SAM umbrella than get someone and go down with missiles still under wings. Or, worse, fail the intercept in the first place, because small planes suffer disproportionally from additional loads.

I mean, Taiwanese enthusiasts may dream about gloriousdefendersstandinguptocommiehordesblahblah as much as they like - but realistically this won't work for them.
 
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Yes, 2 BVRAAMs is a ridiculously low number.

IMO for Taiwan which is so outnumbered, 6 BVRAAMs ( 2 per each target) is the best.

However, how are you going to fit 6 BVRAAMs inside the internal bay of a fighter.....

IMO Taiwan should skip 5th generation stealth fighters and get NGAD from the US in 10 years.

With NGAD, Taiwan would be able to quickly bring up to speed its aircraft program, sensors, weapons, drones etc
 
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voyager1 said:
Yes, 2 BVRAAMs is a ridiculously low number.

IMO for Taiwan which is so outnumbered, 6 BVRAAMs ( 2 per each target) is the best.

However, how are you going to fit 6 BVRAAMs inside the internal bay of a fighter.....

IMO Taiwan should skip 5th generation stealth fighters and get NGAD from the US in 10 years.

With NGAD, Taiwan would be able to quickly bring up to speed its aircraft program, sensors, weapons, drones etc
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lol, wouldn't giving them NGAD be basically handing the specs to China on a silver platter?
 
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KampfAlwin said:
lol, wouldn't giving them NGAD be basically handing the specs to China on a silver platter?
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I dont think that the platforms themselves would be anything special. Their magic sauce would be their software AI.

If they found a way to have the installed software safe from any potential hacks, then I dont see why the US couldnt export it to Taiwan like candies
 
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voyager1 said:
I dont think that the platforms themselves would be anything special. Their magic sauce would be their software AI.

If they found a way to have the installed software safe from any potential hacks, then I dont see why the US couldnt export it to Taiwan like candies
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Makes sense, but I'm sure China will find a way ;) NGAD will unlikely be sold to TW though, just look at TW's military offerings - outdated. They finally got Abrams just when it's about to get a new replacement. Also, China would block the sale.
 
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voyager1 said:
IMO Taiwan should skip 5th generation stealth fighters and get NGAD from the US in 10 years.
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NGAD is currently expected to be a heavy fighter.
Those tend to be very expensive to operate... and you'll get lesser numbers of more valuable platforms, which will quickly start to take a toll on your day-to-day operations.
On top of that, I personally fail to see how NGAD may end up being optimized for Taiwanese needs. US simply needs a very different plane.

All in all, if Taiwan is ready to pay the bill, a custom-built light interceptor is 100% superb option on operational and strategic levels. Question is price.
 
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