Syrian Weapons Disposal: Internatioal Mission

Jeff Head

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Ok...now here's the tricky question. I know it's an international effort and a good one indeed, but WHO IS paying for all of this?:confused:
Well, my guess each nation that is volunteering help (the Danes. the Norwegians, the Russians, the Chinese, the US, Italy, etc.) is footing at least part of the bill for their part individually...if not, the UN is probably supplying funds as well.
 

Jeff Head

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Lot of force deployed to the sea, sound like a little over kill or for better trust issue. However, on land only Syrian force is in responsible which I think most of the problem might occur here. For example, if the FSA or any rebels want some of the weapon, they can set ambush on half way, rob or steal. Or if the Syrian force itself do not want to handle all the stock to international force, they can create some accident and drop some on the half way. God knows!
Each nation involved is putting its best foot forward and sending whatever they think the international community will tolerate. Most of the military escorts are frigates.

IMHO, the Petr Velikiy is clearly overkill in this...but it was available and the Russians are making a statement. But it was also offered and not likely to be turned down since the Russians are involved and it is smack in the middle of their largest ally in the Mid East.

Up to now the US involvement is the T-AKR which is large, but also which can accommodate the facilities and the equipment to handle and destroy the material at sea, which is something everyone wants. I do expect the USNS Cape Ray will be escorted by US vessels, probably a Burke or two.
 

Phead128

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So how did Iran, North Korea, and Syria get away with WMD ambition or possession while Iraq was outright invaded over the mere suspicion of WMD?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Because, North Korea is viewed as China's back yard and they would veto any invasion on the security council. Additionally in the lead up to invasion the north would turn Seoul into a crater, possibly irradiated at that.
Iran has Russia to go to bat for them on the council. And was a signatory to the UN WMD convention, for what it's worth as frankly no one bothers to check and see if a signatory is actually in compliance.
As for Syria Russia went to bat for Assad and Obama was frankly fluff.
 

solarz

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So how did Iran, North Korea, and Syria get away with WMD ambition or possession while Iraq was outright invaded over the mere suspicion of WMD?

Things don't happen in isolation, and Iraq was invaded precisely because the US knew they didn't really have WMDs and was an easy target.

The invasion of Iraq, in turn, spurred both NK and Iran to more aggressively pursue nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, Assad had the benefit of being getting into trouble later than Gaddafi. The Libyan operation gave Russia/China enough ammunition to outright deny any UN sactioned military intervention in Syria.

When Gaddafi said that Libyan insurgents were backed by Al-Qaida, nobody in the West believed him. By the time Obama brought up his "red line", that reality was no longer possible to ignore. I believe Putin essentially called Obama's bluff, and he knew the US would only be shooting itself in the foot if they removed Assad, and he knew that Obama knew it as well.
 

Jeff Head

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Things don't happen in isolation, and Iraq was invaded precisely because the US knew they didn't really have WMDs and was an easy target.

The invasion of Iraq, in turn, spurred both NK and Iran to more aggressively pursue nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, Assad had the benefit of being getting into trouble later than Gaddafi. The Libyan operation gave Russia/China enough ammunition to outright deny any UN sactioned military intervention in Syria.
Well, two things.

1st - Iraq did not have any atomic bombs or nuclear weapons. They did have a research program, but it was not nearly as far along as thought. But Iraq did have WMDs and everyone knew it. Chemical weapons they used on Iran in the Iraq-Iran war. So it is not really accurate to say that they had no WMDs...they just did not have any nuclear weapons assembled oe even anywhere near ready to start assembling. This was the big mistake/failing of US and other foreign intelligence agencies back then.

2nd - I think it interesting that at that time, after Saddam was captured in the rat hole he had been hiding in, Gaddafi immediately gave up his own WMD program and asked the US and other internationl partners to come in and verify it. Which they did. But in the end. it did not help Gaddafi personally either.

As it is, WMDs in Iraq, Iran, North Lorea, etc. are all Off Topic on this thread

Let's get back to the Syrian Chemical Weapon disposal mission.

Even though the whole Syrian affair from a diplomatic and foreign affairs standpoint has been very badly handled by Obama and his administration, and turned into a fiasco and an embarassement for the United States, ending it up with this mission, if successful, will mean that some good came of it.
 

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WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Department of Defense announced the deployment of M/V Cape Ray from Portsmouth, Va., Jan. 27.

M/V Cape Ray is the primary contribution of the Department of Defense toward international efforts to eliminate Syria's chemical weapons material program.

Over the last several months, hundreds of government and contract personnel have worked tirelessly to prepare the vessel to neutralize Syrian chemical materials and precursors using proven hydrolysis technology. This achievement could not have been possible without these remarkable contributions.

The United States remains committed to ensuring its neutralization of Syria's chemical materials prioritizes the safety of people, protects the environment, follows verification procedures of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), and with applicable standards. All waste from the hydrolysis process on M/V Cape Ray will be safely and properly disposed of at commercial facilities to be determined by the OPCW. No hydrolysis byproducts will be released into the sea or air. M/V Cape Ray will comply with all applicable international laws, regulations, and treaties.

It is the responsibility of the Assad regime to transport the chemical materials safely to facilitate their removal for destruction. The international community is poised to meet the milestones set forth by the OPCW, including the June 30 target date for the total destruction of Syria's chemical weapons materials. The United States joins the OPCW and the United Nations in calling on the Assad regime to intensify its efforts to ensure its international obligations and commitment are met so these materials may be removed from Syria as quickly and safely as possible.
 

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Syria misses chemical weapons handover deadline
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Wed, Feb 5 2014
By Anthony Deutsch
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Syria on Wednesday missed a deadline to hand over all the toxic materials it declared to the world's chemical weapons watchdog, putting the program several weeks behind schedule and jeopardizing a final June 30 deadline.
At the same time, opposition activists say the Syrian air force is attacking the country's biggest city, Aleppo, with barrel bombs, forcing many to flee. Turkey was turning away some of those refugees because camps were now full.
Under a deal reached in October between Russia and the United States, which helped avert a U.S.-led missile strike against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, Syria agreed to give up its entire stockpile of chemical weapons by February 5.
Russia said on Tuesday its ally Damascus would ship more chemicals soon, but Western diplomats said they saw no indications that further shipments were pending.
Syria has said it would submit a handover timetable to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which won the Nobel Peace Prize last year, but gave no indication of when that would happen.
There have been no shipments since January 27 and the latest deadline was missed, said OPCW spokesman Michael Luhan. "It's a status quo until we get this plan."
In Washington, White House spokesman Jay Carney said the United States was "absolutely not" concerned that the chemical weapons agreement was falling apart, but added that "Syria must abide by its commitments."
"I would note that Russia has said it expects the Assad regime to deliver a substantial portion of its chemical weapons stockpile in the relatively near future. And we obviously believe that's very important," Carney said.
Carney added that Russia "obviously has a great deal at stake" in the Syrian government fulfilling its responsibilities under the U.S.-Russian agreement.
Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal al-Meqdad said on Wednesday Syria was trying to meet its obligations.
"Syria is proceeding with all determination, strength and credibility to fully implement the agreements with the U.N.-OPCW," the Syrian national news agency SANA quoted him as saying.
In an apparent reference to clearing a road through disputed territory to the northern port of Latakia for shipment abroad, Meqdad said "there can be no leniency at all when it comes to transporting chemical weapons out of Syria."
British Prime Minister David Cameron said he was worried that the chemical weapons handover was behind schedule, and British diplomats said they planned to raise the matter at the United Nations Security Council on Thursday.
"Britain will continue to put pressure on all parties to make sure the chemical weapons are produced and destroyed," Cameron told parliament in London.
MUSTARD GAS
Syria had already missed a December 31 deadline to relinquish the most poisonous chemical agents, including mustard gas and sarin precursors.
So far, Syria has transported slightly more than 4 percent of the 1,300 metric tons it reported to the OPCW. The two small shipments of chemicals are being stored on a Danish vessel in the Mediterranean.
Under the U.S.-Russian agreement, prompted by a sarin gas attack near Damascus that killed hundreds of civilians, Syria has until June 30, or another five months, to completely eliminate its chemical weapons program.
Washington blames the poison attacks on the Assad government and threatened military retaliation.
Damascus has blamed the delay on security problems and the threat of attacks by rebels on road transports to the northern port of Latakia. It has requested additional armor and communications equipment.
But the United States and the United Nations, which is jointly overseeing the destruction program with the OPCW, said last week Syria has all the equipment it needs to carry out the operation and should proceed as quickly as possible.
The next major deadline is March 31, by when the most toxic substances are supposed to be destroyed outside Syria, on a special U.S. cargo vessel, the Cape Ray.
On Thursday, the head of the joint mission, Sigrid Kaag, will brief the United Nations about the operation in New York.
SECURITY COUNCIL
With the U.N. Security Council divided over imposing sanctions against Syria, some diplomats believe the threat of force may be the only way to get Assad to relinquish his weapons of mass destruction.
U.S. official said the use of force has never been taken off the table, but French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius went a step further in recent comments.
He told Europe 1: "It's not on the agenda, but when you have a government ... when a government makes commitments before the international community, it must respect those commitments."
Asked if that was a warning, he replied: "Yes."
On the border with Turkey, Syrian families without passports were being turned away because a refugee influx caused by intensified "barrel bombing" in Aleppo filled up its camps, the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH) said.
One of the Syrian opposition's most vocal allies, Turkey has taken in hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees.
But resources have been stretched after Assad's forces intensified attacks on Aleppo, dropping barrel bombs and slowly winning ground against rebels weakened by weeks of infighting.
"Camps in Kilis are at full capacity unfortunately, but there are free spaces in our other camps," a press officer for Turkey's state AFAD disaster agency said.
Ankara is sticking to its "open border" policy and refugees will be accepted "following necessary security controls", the press officer said.
A camp inside Syria near the Syrian Bab al-Salam border crossing, 50 km (30 miles) north of Aleppo, is also full, IHH's Kilis media officer said, adding that numbers there had risen to 25,000 from 14,000 in the last week.
Turkish police at Oncupinar border post across from Bab al-Salam said restrictions applied to those without passports, but that the crossing was open, with no big crowd at the gate.
The use of barrel bombs - oil drums or cylinders packed with explosives and metal fragments dropped from helicopters - was condemned by Syria's opposition delegation and its Western backers at last month's peace talks in Switzerland.
Further east, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said that for the last 18 days Turkish authorities have prevented more than 2,000 refugees, including women and children, from crossing into Turkey after fleeing the city of Raqqa.
(Additional reporting by Dasha Afanasieva and Ece Toksabay in Istanbul, Will Dunham in Washington, Andrew Osborn in London, and Dominic Evans and Stephen Kalin in Beirut; Editing by Anna Willard; Giles Elgood and Tom Brown)
sabotage? or over ambition?
 

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People's daily Online said:
SOCHI, Russia, Feb. 6 -- Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, on Thursday jointly held a video talk with naval commanders aboard their countries' warships escorting the shipments of Syrian chemical weapons.

Briefing Xi and Putin about their mission in the Mediterranean Sea, the commanders said their vessels have completed two escort operations in close cooperation and are now in good condition and ready for the next assignment.

Xi congratulated the commanders on the success, and encouraged them to complete the UN-mandated mission and thus contribute to the removal of Syria's chemical weapons and the pursuit of a peaceful solution to the Syrian crisis.

Citing the jubilant events of the Sochi Winter Olympic Games and the Chinese Spring Festival, Xi conveyed sincere greetings and good wishes to all crew members and their families on behalf of the Chinese government and people.

Putin, for his part, also sent his regards to all those on board, noting that they are trusted with the great task of safeguarding the destruction of Syria's chemical weapons.

Both Russia and China are active champions for a political settlement of the Syrian crisis, said Putin, expressing his hope that the warships involved will complete the mission and help maintain global and regional security.

In order to help implement UN Security Council Resolution 2118 and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons' decision to destroy Syria's chemical weapons, China, Denmark, Norway and Russia have sent warships to escort the shipments of Syria's chemical weapons. The Chinese and Russian vessels are grouped into a unit.
 

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People's Daily Online said:
On February 10, officers and soldiers on the PLAN warship, Yancheng, FFG-546, smoothly completed the third-batch of the escort mission of transporting Syria's chemical weapons together with warships of other countries including the Russia Peter the great, CG-099, the Danish naval vessel Esbern Snare, L17, and the Norwegian Navy vessel, Helga Instad, F313

At 10 a.m. local time, the Yancheng steered into the territorial sea of Syria, and patrolled and alerted in the designated sea area by constituting a formation together with the Peter the Great of Russian navy. One hour later, Norwegian transport ship steered into Latakia Port and began to pick up chemical weapons. In the entire process, Chinese and Russian liaison officers kept in touch with each other.

Escorted by warships of China, Russia, Denmark and Norway, the Norwegian transport ship loaded with chemical weapons safely steered out of the territorial sea of Syria. The Yancheng consummately completed the escort mission.

Jin Xupu, Chief of Staff of the formation, told the reporter, "Based on the previous rounds of joint escort cooperation, all parties can communicate with one another more smoothly and collaborate with one another more tacitly, and they also have a more thorough understanding of the mission, thus not only accumulating valuable experience but also laying a solid foundation for subsequent escort missions."
 
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