Su-30's for Thailand?
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Barter, or "counter-trade" is not an unusual payment method between governments. Here's an article from People's Daily on Thailand's purchase of CN-235 aircraft in exchange for commodities. Note the article also specified the commodities will not be sold in Indonesia:
Indonesia seeks to sell six aircraft to Thailand
State-run aerospace industry PT Dirgantara Indonesia is targeting to sell six aircraft to Thailand, but the neighbor requires a counter trade scheme for the purchase, local on-line media Tempo said Tuesday.
Thailand expressed interest in buying six Indonesia-made CN-235 planes in exchange for its commodities, including rice, sugar and plywood, Tempo reported.
Thailand so far has agreed to buy a CN-235 for 18.5 million US dollars, it said, quoting an executive with Dirgantara.
"The final decision must wait for a cabinet meeting in Thailand Tuesday," said Dirgantara's business manager Dita Ardonni Jafri.
Dirgantara may accept the proposed counter-trade for the sales of six aircraft but the Thai commodities will not be sold in Indonesia, Dita said.
Indonesia may re-export Thai rice to African countries and plywood to India.
"We have arranged a meeting between Thai (officials) and these buyers," Dita said.
Source: Xinhua
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For those unfamiliar with the CN-235:
Indonesia seeks to sell six aircraft to Thailand
State-run aerospace industry PT Dirgantara Indonesia is targeting to sell six aircraft to Thailand, but the neighbor requires a counter trade scheme for the purchase, local on-line media Tempo said Tuesday.
Thailand expressed interest in buying six Indonesia-made CN-235 planes in exchange for its commodities, including rice, sugar and plywood, Tempo reported.
Thailand so far has agreed to buy a CN-235 for 18.5 million US dollars, it said, quoting an executive with Dirgantara.
"The final decision must wait for a cabinet meeting in Thailand Tuesday," said Dirgantara's business manager Dita Ardonni Jafri.
Dirgantara may accept the proposed counter-trade for the sales of six aircraft but the Thai commodities will not be sold in Indonesia, Dita said.
Indonesia may re-export Thai rice to African countries and plywood to India.
"We have arranged a meeting between Thai (officials) and these buyers," Dita said.
Source: Xinhua
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For those unfamiliar with the CN-235:
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i think thailand will consider mki version seem they has good relationship with israel.i think israel avionics system more reliable than south african bcoz s. africa get this tech from israel under tot.
it's quite hard paying by counter-trade.like malaysia there are paying with counter-trade and some with cash.this goods have uncertain price
it's quite hard paying by counter-trade.like malaysia there are paying with counter-trade and some with cash.this goods have uncertain price
Speaking of barter with chickens...
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Russia sweetens fighter jet deal with free choppers
By Martin Petty
23 December 2005 14:34
Keen to beat off competition from American and Swedish aerospace firms, Russia has offered a fleet of helicopters as a sweetener to help secure a contract to sell fighter jets to Thailand.
While insisting that a decison had not yet been made over which aircraft to buy, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday said that the Russian firm Irkut was willing to include free MI-17 helicopters if Thailand agreed to purchase 12 of its SU-30 MK fighters.
“Russia proposed that, if Thailand agrees to buy SU-30s, it will also include helicopters in the deal,†Thaksin said.
“But there is still no decision or agreement whatsoever with Russia on this. We have to look at the conditions and what is the best deal from each country.â€
According to a report from Russia’s Interfax news agency, Irkut is willing to trade 12 SU-30s for 250,000 tons of raw chicken and other agricultural produce from Thailand.
However, after making an apparent U-turn this week, US firm Lockheed Martin also agreed to accept chicken instead of cash for its F-16s.
The air force currently has more than 50 F-16 jets in both A/B and C/D models, and the US firm has offered to maintain the aircraft as part of the deal.
Thaksin hailed Lockheed Martin’s decision as a victory for the government’s barter trade scheme, and said both offers would be looked at thoroughly.
“After the report on Russia’s offer to sell their planes to Thailand, the US has proposed to upgrade our F-16 planes so we can use them for another 15 years,†Thaksin said.
“It is also ready to barter trade with Thai farm products, which shows that Thailand’s barter trade deal is effective,†he said, adding that barter trade would help open up new markets for Thai exports and increase revenue for farmers.
Defense Minister Gen Thammarak Isarangura Na Ayutthaya said the proposed fighter jet deals had created a headache for the government “because every country wants to sell to us.â€
However, in announcing a nine-year development plan for the army yesterday, its commander-in-chief, Gen Sonthi Boonyaratakalin, said that Russia’s MI-17 helicopters may not be necessary in the short term, as the army was planning to focus on upgrading its existing equipment rather than procuring newer technology.
“The army has enough helicopters for our perceived operations,†he said. “In fact, we are only using 50 percent of our helicopters at present.â€
His air force counterpart, ACM Chalit Pukpasuk, yesterday said that two fleets of F-16s will be upgraded over the next two years, but he insisted that the overhaul was not in anticipation of a new fleet of US F-16 C/Ds.
“The Russian SU-30 is being studied and we’re looking to see if it corresponds with our missions and the demands of the air force, although we are still deciding what we want,†he said.
“Each type of plane has advantages and disadvantages.â€
Meanwhile, Indonesia’s state-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara has denied that a barter agreement was reached with Thailand to trade 10 turboprop CN235 aircraft for 300,000 tons of glutinous rice.
“I will oppose any plans of such barter as it will be at the expense of our rice growers,†acting president Nuril Fuad said, according to Indonesia’s state Antara news agency.
Agriculture Minister Khunying Sudarat Keyuraphan announced the deal Saturday to trade the rice for the planes, which were to be used for cloud-seeding in His Majesty the King’s rainmaking project.
Khunying Sudarat, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, recently agreed a deal with China to exchange 100,000 tons of dried longan for 96 Chinese armored personnel carriers.
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Russia sweetens fighter jet deal with free choppers
By Martin Petty
23 December 2005 14:34
Keen to beat off competition from American and Swedish aerospace firms, Russia has offered a fleet of helicopters as a sweetener to help secure a contract to sell fighter jets to Thailand.
While insisting that a decison had not yet been made over which aircraft to buy, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday said that the Russian firm Irkut was willing to include free MI-17 helicopters if Thailand agreed to purchase 12 of its SU-30 MK fighters.
“Russia proposed that, if Thailand agrees to buy SU-30s, it will also include helicopters in the deal,†Thaksin said.
“But there is still no decision or agreement whatsoever with Russia on this. We have to look at the conditions and what is the best deal from each country.â€
According to a report from Russia’s Interfax news agency, Irkut is willing to trade 12 SU-30s for 250,000 tons of raw chicken and other agricultural produce from Thailand.
However, after making an apparent U-turn this week, US firm Lockheed Martin also agreed to accept chicken instead of cash for its F-16s.
The air force currently has more than 50 F-16 jets in both A/B and C/D models, and the US firm has offered to maintain the aircraft as part of the deal.
Thaksin hailed Lockheed Martin’s decision as a victory for the government’s barter trade scheme, and said both offers would be looked at thoroughly.
“After the report on Russia’s offer to sell their planes to Thailand, the US has proposed to upgrade our F-16 planes so we can use them for another 15 years,†Thaksin said.
“It is also ready to barter trade with Thai farm products, which shows that Thailand’s barter trade deal is effective,†he said, adding that barter trade would help open up new markets for Thai exports and increase revenue for farmers.
Defense Minister Gen Thammarak Isarangura Na Ayutthaya said the proposed fighter jet deals had created a headache for the government “because every country wants to sell to us.â€
However, in announcing a nine-year development plan for the army yesterday, its commander-in-chief, Gen Sonthi Boonyaratakalin, said that Russia’s MI-17 helicopters may not be necessary in the short term, as the army was planning to focus on upgrading its existing equipment rather than procuring newer technology.
“The army has enough helicopters for our perceived operations,†he said. “In fact, we are only using 50 percent of our helicopters at present.â€
His air force counterpart, ACM Chalit Pukpasuk, yesterday said that two fleets of F-16s will be upgraded over the next two years, but he insisted that the overhaul was not in anticipation of a new fleet of US F-16 C/Ds.
“The Russian SU-30 is being studied and we’re looking to see if it corresponds with our missions and the demands of the air force, although we are still deciding what we want,†he said.
“Each type of plane has advantages and disadvantages.â€
Meanwhile, Indonesia’s state-owned aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara has denied that a barter agreement was reached with Thailand to trade 10 turboprop CN235 aircraft for 300,000 tons of glutinous rice.
“I will oppose any plans of such barter as it will be at the expense of our rice growers,†acting president Nuril Fuad said, according to Indonesia’s state Antara news agency.
Agriculture Minister Khunying Sudarat Keyuraphan announced the deal Saturday to trade the rice for the planes, which were to be used for cloud-seeding in His Majesty the King’s rainmaking project.
Khunying Sudarat, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, recently agreed a deal with China to exchange 100,000 tons of dried longan for 96 Chinese armored personnel carriers.