Star Wars & Sc-Fi Talk

Equation said:

When are they going to continue the "Generation" series Star Trek? Many fans wants to see more of it.

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I imagine maybe in a decade they can go back and act like JJ Abrams' version never existed. But then they have to stop making sequels to JJ Abrams reboot. Who knows... If they're smart enough they can have a story where they can have characters going back to correct the timeline erasing Abrams' Star Trek from existence.

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Hollywood director Christopher Nolan's new sci-fi flick Interstellar has caught Chinese people's imagination, with their common question being: Can Chinese filmmakers make such a movie?

The Chinese film industry has entered a new era, producing some good movies and earning substantial box office returns. It's not uncommon to see a blockbuster earn more than 100 million yuan ($16.16 million) nowadays. Since the film industry has never been more successful on the commercial front, film financers may not be averse to investing in sci-fi films, because they could turn into blockbusters.

A recent article on Chinese science fiction over the past two decades by Chinese-American science fiction writer Liu Yukun is seen as signaling the arrival of sci-fi films in China. In the initial years, hard sci-fi tales were more popular in China, because both writers and readers were limited, and many of them came from science and engineering backgrounds.

But with soft sci-fi tales gaining popularity in recent times, the range of writers and readers has expanded considerably. The emergence of some prominent science fiction writers and their abundant body of work offer enough material and inspiration for filmmakers. Moreover, a prominent group of young science fiction fans is drawn to the movies.

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AssassinsMace said:

Justin Lin has been chosen to direct Star Trek 3. A reunion of sorts between him and John Cho who acted in Lin's first movie that brought him notoriety, Better Luck Tomorrow. Interesting choice because he's been given the reputation of being a franchise savior because of the Fast & Furious sequels he directed surpassed the ones before him. Did Paramount see the Star Trek franchise as a sinking ship? They dumped Roberto Orci who's a disciple of JJ Abrams. The thing is Lin may be just an action oriented version of JJ Abrams. Meaning some people didn't like the non-Star Trek direction JJ Abrams took Star Trek which is why the delay on making another. Maybe the movies will do better as action oriented more than what TV did better for Star Trek.

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Is Orci writing Star Trek 3?

Orci has never directed anything before not tv show a commercial or a movie. Hell he probably hasn't even directed a short film. So the investors are supposed to just trust that their 200 million dollars to a completely untested and inexperienced director.

Months ago when Orci was picked all these concerns were brought up.

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It's a game of saving face Hollywood plays. Orci is basically out. When they announced he left, they said he continues to be a producer. In Hollywood that can be a very loose term. If a studio wanted a certain actor that was reluctant to do a movie, they can ask a friend or confidante to persuade him or her to do the movie and voila... that person gets a producer credit just for doing that. Orci's case is they could still use his script but directors get a big say. If they still use his idea, he'll get credit. But if there are major changes or they toss his script entirely, he won't get screenwriter credit. JJ Abrams gets a producer credit because he's the one that rebooted the series. But he could actually have no to very little say on anything to do with Star Trek. Paramount ultimately owns it and they have final say. Besides I bet they weren't too happy Abrams went off to do Star Wars. I'll give a prediction where if Episode VII bombs as in people are very disappointed, they will probably again reboot Star Trek or they could act like Abrams' version never existed. I mention before that the reason why you haven't seen a new Star Trek TV series is because there's division within Paramount executives. The reason why there's a division is unknown but it most likely has to do with creative direction. The TV division executives may not like what Abrams has done with the franchise. If you think about the Enterprise series, it was a reboot in a way and it was the worst of the TV franchises.

Equation said:

When are they going to continue the "Generation" series Star Trek? Many fans wants to see more of it.

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I think the ship has sailed on next gen. For now but that franchise was in terrible decline because of the producers of the movies failed to produce a product that felt like a movie. After First Contact the following movies all felt like longer tv episodes and failed to draw in non fans. Nemesis was ok if it were a tv episode also I think the next gen movies needed a writer and a director that can balance an ensemble cast. If they had gotten directors like Joss Whedon or a David Ayer we might be talking about new next gen movies in actual production.

AssassinsMace said:

I imagine maybe in a decade they can go back and act like JJ Abrams' version never existed. But then they have to stop making sequels to JJ Abrams reboot. Who knows... If they're smart enough they can have a story where they can have characters going back to correct the timeline erasing Abrams' Star Trek from existence.

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I think for new movies for this franchise's future they should just create new characters from the next generation period to correct the time line and deal with some new challenges and conflicts. Or go super crazy make a Star Trek cinematic universe using Enterprise, Original Star Trek, Next Genteration, Deep Space 9 and Voyager and they all have to deal with an alien threat that lives outside of time like the wormhole aliens.

These "bootqeuls" are just cash grabs made to get the Original star trek fans that just want to watch big screen re imagined reruns and remakes.

ABC78 said:

These "bootqeuls" are just cash grabs made to get the Original star trek fans that just want to watch big screen re imagined reruns and remakes.

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It's funny you say that, because the criticism from a lot of fans of the Original series, is usually the exact opposite. Rather than pandering to fans of the Original like you say, the complaint is actually that the new movies pander to main stream audiences who don't know any better.

The Pacing and style of the "Re-Boot" Is nothing like the Original. The Original was boiling tension Constantly building to the action. The most combat oriented Episodes and movie was literally a Submarine battle with both sides hunting the other. Rapid Action followed by a break and tension
the Reboot is using a Starwars pacing lots of action piled on top of action with the occasional childish humor. The Reboot doesn't pander to the TOS fans it's meant to try and lure in Action lovers. Into Darkness plays this up to the enth with the military aspect cranked up to 9.

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It's easy to explain virtually everything. Realism is not dramatic enough. Not sure why the bridge being an easy target is high on the list. Every capital ship in science fiction has a depiction of the bridge being directly hit. On an aircraft carrier the island sticks out like a sore thumb. But then this comes down to what I've mentioned long before that if capital ships are in combat within visual range, not to mention broadsiding, there was already a major failure in defenses. That's why people don't worry about how the island on a aircraft carrier sticks out like a sore thumb.

well not everyone mace.
most of the list though is pretty foolish. I mean
10. Separate Phaser Firing Room
Real navy ships have areas for weapons maintenance and operation, In that case it was harkening to the Torpedo room of a Submarine.
9. No Seatbelts
From Time to time a Variety of restraint devices have appeared on the bridges of starships including seat belts. but not all the chairs on the bridge are mounted to the deck and even if they were that could cause a issue if the ship took a hard hit and the shock was sent up the crew's spines.
8. Bridge Consoles That Constantly Blow Up
This one... This one is hard. because it's not always the Controls that explode. there have been blasts that appear on the bridge and other area's of the ship from bulkheads and other surfaces. I have my own theory; That the Ships Structural integrity field is the cause. That as the ship takes a severe hit the field somehow misaligns and creates a static discharge.
6. Only One Transporter Room
not really. Just one Transporter System. Since the transporter is a very complex setup it's resumable that the transporter rooms are infact just hubs and there is a central transporter system that processes and generates the transporter function. if this is damaged then all the hubs are out.
5. Main Engineering is really easy to access
ever been on a submarine? critical equipment is everywhere and getting at it means getting at it. the Dilithium crystal system was never explained we know it can be used on it's own to make power but is used to somehow focus the reaction of matter antimatter. but most critically it's very safe. in Elaan of Troilus Elaan is wearing said crystals as costume jewelry and she is in pretty close quarters to any number of crewmen without them suffering ill effects.
This means that at best Dilithium is about as radioactive as Superman's kryptonite. Harmless to humans meaning there is no need for protection form it. but the ships antimatter is isolated like a nuclear reactor. I mean if it's not going to send you to Dr. Mccoy because your hair is falling out your covered in burns and tumors and all the other symptoms of radiation exposure why would it need protection?
4. Self destruct talks really loudly
Okay You have decided to Blow up your Ship. Congradulations! Now it's a Ship built for 400+ men and woman... Seems to me like I don't know I would like to know how much time I have to get off before it goes KABOOM!
3. Super easy to make the Enterprise blow up
if you hit any military vehicle in the right way it will explode.
2. Bridge is kind of an easy target.
according to the list the whole ship is going to blow anyway. There were in trek secondary control rooms aboard. form a aviation and naval stand point they presumably wanted a flight deck /Bridge. but this is a "Weak point" Quite common to any Scifi Ship with the only exception to come to mind being The earth force Destroyers from Babylon 5 which had theres inbedded in the hull but they used a centrifugal force system for there gravity. the Defiant form later DS9 and Prometheus Voy both seem to embed the bridge deeper in the hull but keep the same overall location a central point this may be because of the shape of the main hull. The Saucer it always seemed like they chose that configuration because the sensors for the ship were mounted along the outer edges and they wanted to feed all that information to a central point. Also IT's common in Alien trek ships to use a similar logic. A klingon Bird of prey has it's flight deck on the far forward structure of the nose there battle cruisers the same.
1. So easy to take over.
any ship can be hijacked if you put the right people in the right places.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

well not everyone mace.
most of the list though is pretty foolish. I mean
10. Separate Phaser Firing Room
Real navy ships have areas for weapons maintenance and operation, In that case it was harkening to the Torpedo room of a Submarine.
9. No Seatbelts
From Time to time a Variety of restraint devices have appeared on the bridges of starships including seat belts. but not all the chairs on the bridge are mounted to the deck and even if they were that could cause a issue if the ship took a hard hit and the shock was sent up the crew's spines.
8. Bridge Consoles That Constantly Blow Up
This one... This one is hard. because it's not always the Controls that explode. there have been blasts that appear on the bridge and other area's of the ship from bulkheads and other surfaces. I have my own theory; That the Ships Structural integrity field is the cause. That as the ship takes a severe hit the field somehow misaligns and creates a static discharge.
6. Only One Transporter Room
not really. Just one Transporter System. Since the transporter is a very complex setup it's resumable that the transporter rooms are infact just hubs and there is a central transporter system that processes and generates the transporter function. if this is damaged then all the hubs are out.
5. Main Engineering is really easy to access
ever been on a submarine? critical equipment is everywhere and getting at it means getting at it. the Dilithium crystal system was never explained we know it can be used on it's own to make power but is used to somehow focus the reaction of matter antimatter. but most critically it's very safe. in Elaan of Troilus Elaan is wearing said crystals as costume jewelry and she is in pretty close quarters to any number of crewmen without them suffering ill effects.
This means that at best Dilithium is about as radioactive as Superman's kryptonite. Harmless to humans meaning there is no need for protection form it. but the ships antimatter is isolated like a nuclear reactor. I mean if it's not going to send you to Dr. Mccoy because your hair is falling out your covered in burns and tumors and all the other symptoms of radiation exposure why would it need protection?
4. Self destruct talks really loudly
Okay You have decided to Blow up your Ship. Congradulations! Now it's a Ship built for 400+ men and woman... Seems to me like I don't know I would like to know how much time I have to get off before it goes KABOOM!
3. Super easy to make the Enterprise blow up
if you hit any military vehicle in the right way it will explode.
2. Bridge is kind of an easy target.
according to the list the whole ship is going to blow anyway. There were in trek secondary control rooms aboard. form a aviation and naval stand point they presumably wanted a flight deck /Bridge. but this is a "Weak point" Quite common to any Scifi Ship with the only exception to come to mind being The earth force Destroyers from Babylon 5 which had theres inbedded in the hull but they used a centrifugal force system for there gravity. the Defiant form later DS9 and Prometheus Voy both seem to embed the bridge deeper in the hull but keep the same overall location a central point this may be because of the shape of the main hull. The Saucer it always seemed like they chose that configuration because the sensors for the ship were mounted along the outer edges and they wanted to feed all that information to a central point. Also IT's common in Alien trek ships to use a similar logic. A klingon Bird of prey has it's flight deck on the far forward structure of the nose there battle cruisers the same.
1. So easy to take over.
any ship can be hijacked if you put the right people in the right places.

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Don't forget the bathroom or latrine when going into warp speed or zero gravity with some human waste still hasn't been flushed down.