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antiterror13

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It seems the Chinese Type 094 is the least advanced than others .. also it only able to carry 12 JL-2/3

@FORBIN ... you may have missed Chinese 092 in the list ... I know it is obsolete already, but it is still operational and carries 12x JL-1A SLBM with 2,500 km range ... enough to cover western pacific including the whole Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and part of Russia and SEA. Still powerful deterent though. I believe Type 092 will still be in service for another 10 years or so (commissioned in 1987, only 29 years ago) and with Type 092, China will no need to worry of Japan, Korea, etc as this baby would cover all o fthoese countries ... and I'd assume a lot cheaper to operate. China doesn't need JL-2/3 and Type 094/096 to cover Western Pacific and SEA

Outside big 5, there is no other countries have operational SSBN, let alone more modern than Type 092. Indian Arihant SSBN (not operational yet) is smaller and carry less SLBM (K-15) with much less range than Type 092 and JL-1A
 
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FORBIN

FORBIN

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antiterror13 said:
It seems the Chinese Type 094 is the least advanced than others .. also it only able to carry 12 JL-2/3

@FORBIN ... you may have missed Chinese 092 in the list ... I know it is obsolete already, but it is still operational and carries 12x JL-1A SLBM with 2,500 km range ... enough to cover western pacific including the whole Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and part of Russia and SEA. Still powerful deterent though

Outside big 5, there is no other countries have operational SSBN, let alone more modern than Type 092. Indian Arihant SSBN (not operational yet) is smaller and carry less SLBM (K-15) with much less range than Type 092 and JL-1A
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092 is only a test bed not considered operationnal I do not count as the Typhoon but right for Arihant.
 
Equation

Equation

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Jeff Head said:
For those who think a system like the DF-21D could be seriously deployed and relied upon to defend a nation without such testing...well, having been involved in the design of larger naval systems, and missiles systems like THAAD, it is just a ludicrous.notion.

The Chinese have a DF-21D program. And they certainly have some missiles deployed. But they have never carried out such a full-up, live test against targets at sea.

Such testing is absolutely critical, as the US shows itself with continued testing of even very mature systems.

If you want to depend on them...and rely upon them to do the job...you test them in as close to the actual environment as you can devise.
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I have to disagreed and we've been through this argument many times. The DF-21D is not just any AsBM to be show off or "tested openly" for the world to see. Those who doesn't know how China are testing these weapons shouldn't be comparing them with any ordinary ICBM in the first place. There are ways that China could test those systems in piece meal from the HGV program to the ASAT rocket launches and through powerful super computers to get an overall assessment of the program. Plus with continuing improvement with the development of the DF-26 (an improve version of the DF-21D) proves that the program is going on well. Remember it's ALL ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
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Lethe

Lethe

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antiterror13 said:
It seems the Chinese Type 094 is the least advanced than others .. also it only able to carry 12 JL-2/3

@FORBIN ... you may have missed Chinese 092 in the list ... I know it is obsolete already, but it is still operational and carries 12x JL-1A SLBM with 2,500 km range ... enough to cover western pacific including the whole Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and part of Russia and SEA. Still powerful deterent though. I believe Type 092 will still be in service for another 10 years or so (commissioned in 1987, only 29 years ago) and with Type 092, China will no need to worry of Japan, Korea, etc as this baby would cover all o fthoese countries ... and I'd assume a lot cheaper to operate. China doesn't need JL-2/3 and Type 094/096 to cover Western Pacific and SEA
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Survivability would be the concern with 092, with the reliability of its missiles a secondary concern. 092 may "only" be 29 years old, but that's a lifetime in terms of Chinese military technology in general, and submarine and missile technology in particular. At this point the sole 092 is practically a burden, and I expect it to disappear the moment the first 096 is ready.

I don't believe China will have a truly reliable nuclear deterrent until the 096 class is in service (in numbers, i.e. at least four boats) with JL-3 missiles by 2025. And once they are China will want to move straight onto their successors (096B or 098) to replace 094 in the nuclear deterrent role and counter developments in ABM systems.The 094s could be converted to SSGN or special ops platforms in the mould of the early Ohio boats.
 
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Bernard

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U.K. Revives Dreadnought Name for Successor SSBNs
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October 21, 2016 8:13 AM • Updated: October 21, 2016 12:47 PM
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An artist’s conception of the U.K.’s Successor-class future planned ballistic missile submarine (SSBN). UK Ministry of Defense Photo

LONDON — The first of the Royal Navy’s future ballistic nuclear missile submarines will be known as HMS Dreadnought, the UK Ministry of Defence announced on Friday.

The decision revives a famous old name that has been carried by nine British fighting ships since the 16th Century, including the revolutionary battleship launched in 1906 and the country’s first nuclear-powered submarine.

All four of the 17,200-tonne ‘successor’ SSBNs will now be known as the Dreadnought class, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said in an announcement timed to mark the 211th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar (during which the sixth ship to bear the name captured a Spanish warship) and the 56th anniversary of the launch of the pioneering SSN at Barrow in northern England.

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UK Royal Navy’s HMS Vanguard “vents off” as she leaves HMNB Clyde in Scotland in 2012. UK MoD Photo

“We cannot know what dangers we might face in the 2030s, 2040s and 2050s, so we are building the new Dreadnought class,”
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“Along with increasing the defense budget to buy new ships, more planes, and armored vehicles, this commitment shows we will never gamble with our security.”

The tenth Dreadnought and her three sisters will be constructed by BAE Systems at the same shipyard, where two weeks ago Fallon participated in a steel-cutting ceremony for the lead ship.

Due to replace the existing Vanguard-class SSBNs in the continuous-at-sea-deterrent role from 2028, they are being designed and built in close co-operation with the
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