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siegecrossbow

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China's women get a well deserved gold in the track sprint cycling.
So far I think China's overall performance has been a little disappointing when compared with the Beijing and London Olympics., or have other countries caught up with her in diving and gymnastics?
Once again there have been allegations that the women gymnasts are under the legal age for Olympic competitions.
Meanwhile swimmer Chen Xinyu returning a positive test for doping revives accusations that their swim team still cheat.
The only way to limit China's medal haul in table tennis is to only allow one competitor in each event;)

I think 2008 was a combination of home field advantage as well as governmental/domestic hype for the first time China hosted the Olympics.
 

Mr T

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Why do you Brits do so well in sports that involve sitting down?

You could say that we invented rowing as a competitive occupation. At the least we've been rowing for centuries.

With respect to sailing, we're an island nation with a proud maritime history.

As for cycling, we invented some of the first bicycles, although I think a Frenchman is recognised as making the very first one.

But the reason we do so well in cycling, rowing and sailing is because that has been part of a long-term plan. For most of our Olympic history the UK honestly saw the Olympics as for amateurs. (Track and field was where we tended to see most success.) Although there was coaching, there was little money put into it and competitors were expected to sort of make their own way. Seriously, most athletes had jobs and had to train in their spare time. Kelly Holmes, who won the 800 and 1500m in 2004, was previously in the Army. It was only after she got increased funding that she was able to become a full-time athlete.

After the awful performance in 1996, it was realised that the old attitude wouldn't work as other countries had been putting more resources in. So we could either decline as a sporting nation and continue the "oh well, it's the taking part that counts" attitude, or we could play to win. We figured out what we were good at and/or had the most potential in, and put money in. It paid off, with improved results from 2000 to 2012.

I hope that's a helpful explanation. Do you have any other questions.
 

Jeff Head

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End of the day Olymoic Medal count - Top Ten nations:

Nation- Gold - Silver - Bronze - TOT
1. USA - 24 --- 18 ---- 18 ---- 60
2. CHN - 13 --- 11 ---- 17 ---- 41
3. GBR - 10 --- 13 ----- 7 ---- 30
4. GER -- 8 ---- 5 ----- 3 ---- 16
5. JPN -- 7 ---- 3 ---- 14 ---- 24
6. RUS -- 6 ---- 9 ----- 8 ---- 23
7. AUS -- 6 ---- 7 ----- 9 ---- 22
8. ITA -- 6 ---- 7 ----- 5 ---- 18
9. KOR -- 6 ---- 3 ----- 4 ---- 13
10.FRA -- 5 ---- 8 ----- 5 ---- 18
 

Jeff Head

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Latest top five 2016 Olympic Medal count:

USA
G: 26 S: 22 B: 24 Total: 72

Great Britan
G: 16 S: 17 B: 8 Total: 41

China
G: 15 S: 14 B: 17 Total: 46

Russia
G: 10 S: 12 B: 12 Total: 34

Italy
G: 8 S: 9 B: 6 Total: 23
 

plawolf

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The boxing judging has been an absolute disgrace.

Never have I seen such a blatant case of a fix being put in at this level in any sport.

That is three times in a row the Russian was awarded fights anyone with eyes and half a brain could see he lost by the judges, always unanimous.

Every single one of those judges should have their lives and finances examined with a forensic microscope, and if anything untoward is discovered, they really need to throw the book (maybe a few anvils and grant pianos as well) at them and lock them up to serve a warn to anyone else shameless enough to try this sort of mockery.
 

plawolf

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Now there is controversy with the swimming judges.

I could not help but roll my eyes at how the BBC wrote an entire smear piece about how China has a 'victim mentality' because Chinese fans were furious about some very questionable judging decisions earlier during the games, and was snidely and smugly suggestion China should stop complaining about nothing.

Now that British/Irish athletes are on the wrong end of bad calls and suddenly is being given prominent coverage and analysis.
 

B.I.B.

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OMG China has dropped to 3rd behind Britain?

Meanwhile

Rio Olympics 2016: Japanese pole vaulter penis fail

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It is always disappointing for Olympians when their equipment fails them on the world stage. And even more so when the offending appendage happens to be the very thing associated with his manhood.

Japanese pole vaulter Hiroki Ogita suffered that very fate with the world watching during the pole vaulting qualifiers at Rio.

He was left in the unique situation of wishing his genitals were a little smaller, or perhaps the weather slighter colder, after it knocked off the bar during pole vaulting qualifiers.


The 28-year-old was making his first attempt at 5.3m when the incident occurred.
 

Jeff Head

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Latest Medal Count from Rio:

USA - 84 Total
G: 28 S: 28 B: 28

Britian - 50 Total
G: 19 S: 19 B: 12

China - 51 Total
G: 17 S: 15 B: 19

Russia - 38 Total
G:12 S: 12 B: 14

Germany - 26 Total
G: 11 S: 8 B: 7
 
You could say that we invented rowing as a competitive occupation. At the least we've been rowing for centuries.

With respect to sailing, we're an island nation with a proud maritime history.

As for cycling, we invented some of the first bicycles, although I think a Frenchman is recognised as making the very first one.

But the reason we do so well in cycling, rowing and sailing is because that has been part of a long-term plan. For most of our Olympic history the UK honestly saw the Olympics as for amateurs. (Track and field was where we tended to see most success.) Although there was coaching, there was little money put into it and competitors were expected to sort of make their own way. Seriously, most athletes had jobs and had to train in their spare time. Kelly Holmes, who won the 800 and 1500m in 2004, was previously in the Army. It was only after she got increased funding that she was able to become a full-time athlete.

After the awful performance in 1996, it was realised that the old attitude wouldn't work as other countries had been putting more resources in. So we could either decline as a sporting nation and continue the "oh well, it's the taking part that counts" attitude, or we could play to win. We figured out what we were good at and/or had the most potential in, and put money in. It paid off, with improved results from 2000 to 2012.

I hope that's a helpful explanation. Do you have any other questions.

Interesting what you said about Britain and sports. Appears these attitudes go around in cycles, this article notes how it has gone in the opposite direction in China.

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Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:53pm EDT
Third in the medals table, China faces worst haul since 1996

By Brenda Goh | RIO DE JANEIRO
Heavy defeats in sports dominated by China in previous Olympics have left the country languishing in an unfamiliar third place in the medals table, with some predicting that Rio 2016 could see the country's worst haul since 1996.

Chinese athletes have so far failed to defend their gold medals in sports from badminton to diving, being unceremoniously kicked out at early stages or having to make do with silver or bronze, leading the country to rank behind the United States and Britain.

"You're kidding me? The country which has never finished above China is about to," state news agency Xinhua said on its official English-language Twitter account on Monday, alongside a photo of the medals tally. The tweet has since been deleted.

China's gold-medal count at the halfway mark in Rio stood at 13, far less than the 25 golds obtained by the same point in London. By Tuesday, the team had accumulated 48 medals -- 15 golds, 15 silvers and 18 bronze.

"Since China's gold opportunities are concentrated in the first half, it will be hard for China to win more than 25 golds at this year's Olympics, the lowest of the last five Olympics," the China News Service said on Sunday.

China, which sent its largest overseas delegation of 416 athletes to Rio this year, won 16 golds in 1996 and 28 in 2000. It has ended the Games in second place since 2004 and boasted of a 51-gold bonanza in 2008, its highest ever tally, when it hosted the Beijing Olympics.

The disappointments began swiftly in Rio -- on the first day former Olympic champion shooters Du Li and Yi Siling managed to claim only a silver and bronze, while swimmer Sun Yang came in second in the 400 meters freestyle event and failed to qualify for the 1,500 meter freestyle race. He was the London Olympic champion in both events.

In the men's synchronised three-meter springboard diving, Britain ended the eight-year reign of China who took bronze. Its domination of badminton was also shaken when its mixed doubles pairs and second-ranked women's doubles pair were eliminated.

The country's top sports officials had warned before the Olympics that the team faced difficulties from a myriad of factors, including unfamiliarity with South America, rule changes in some sports and the "diminishing dividend" of the 2008 Olympics.

"After Beijing was selected as the host city in 2001, China started a long-term talent training plan for the Games," Gao Zhidan, China's General Administrator of Sport, told Xinhua in July. "The plan continues but is not as vigorous as then. That will be another challenge."

State media and internet users had already begun to go easy on the athletes, who are cultivated from young through a sophisticated government-sponsored sports school system, after few medals were won in the first few days of the Olympics. Many commentators said that enjoying sport, rather than obsessing about gold medals, was increasingly important to China.

Reflecting this, a bronze medalist swimmer, rather than one of the winners of the 15 golds China has accumulated to date, has emerged as the biggest star of the Olympics so far at home.

Fu Yuanhui has become a social media celebrity thanks to her candid and humorous pool-side interviews on topics from periods to boys. Ten million fans watched a recent interview she conducted live on a mobile app and she has been invited to appear on Chinese variety shows once back in China

"The Chinese people have made progress, we don't need gold medals to boost our confidence and are no longer as harsh on our athletes," said one user on China's Twitter-like Weibo.

"What we chase now is the gold standard Fu Yuanhui reflects in her humour and innocence."

(Editing by Clare Fallon)
 
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