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Hyundai Heavy Industries Delivers Second LST-II Landing Ship to ROK Navy

South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) has announced that the second LST-II class Landing Ship Tank "Cheon Ja Bong" was delivered today to the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy). The LST is the second of four vessels set to be built by 2018 as part of South Korea's the next generation landing ship project. The first ship, the "Cheon Wang Bong", was delivered to the ROK Navy in November 2014.
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Politics, both home and abroad, drive South Korea THAAD deployment
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it's not a political article, actually an interesting THAAD summary:
Following North Korea’s July 28 launch of what the Pentagon has termed an intercontinental ballistic missile, the South Korean government has called for increased deployment of launchers for its Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system — an apparent change of heart for the new government of South Korean President Moon Jae-in.

While the THAAD system technically came online earlier this year, the full system has not been deployed, with only two of the six launchers out in the field. Each THAAD unit consists of six truck-mounted launchers, 49 interceptors, a fire-control and communications unit, and an AN/TPY-2 radar. That radar has been a focal point of contention with China, who claims the radar could be used to spy into their territory.

The Moon government had previously slow-rolled the deployment of the remaining four THAAD launchers, citing the need for an environmental assessment that was skipped by the previous government. The president was
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calling for the “temporary” deployment of the remaining launchers.

Asked about Moon’s comments, a Pentagon spokesman said South Korea and the U.S. will “continue to coordinate on all aspects of the deployment of the THAAD system,” but referred any further questions to Seoul.

Jenny Town, assistant director of the US-Korea Institute at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, said THAAD remains a politically divisive issue in South Korea.

“There was a feeling within the government that the way the deployment was first announced, it didn’t go through due process, didn’t have an environmental assessment done and didn’t have National Assembly approval,” Town said. “And there is still a lot of the public who sees it as a measure to protect American military, given the placement and the way things were done. Public sentiment is still very divided as to whether or [not] it’s a good idea.”

That last point may hint at where other THAAD launchers could be deployed. Currently, the two launchers deployed at Seongju, roughly 135 miles from the South’s capital Seoul. New deployments would likely prioritize protecting the capital, said Town.

Moon’s sudden change of heart on the launchers would be easy to attribute to fears of North Korea’s missile test, but Duyeon Kim, a visiting senior fellow with the Korean Peninsula Future Forum in Seoul, thinks global politics is also a factor.

“It does not reflect a change in position per se, but is seen to reassure Washington. It would have been difficult for the Moon administration not to make some sort of move on THAAD in light of two ICBM tests,” Kim wrote in an email.

“The sudden about-face, without the due process the Moon administration had been stressing, indicates there might have been an understanding with Washington on THAAD if Pyongyang were to cross certain lines,” such as another ICBM test, Kim added. “But again, Seoul is stressing that this is only temporary in a move to appease Moon’s constituency and stick to the books.”

In light of the North Korean missile launches, THAAD has become a popular system to talk about, despite not being applicable to the ICBM threat and struggling with funding.

The U.S. Army has a requirement for nine THAAD batteries, but has only received approval and funding to build and field seven, with no funding on the horizon to complete the requirement.

There are five operational THAAD batteries: one deployed in Guam; one in South Korea; one being used for testing; and two batteries at Fort Bliss, Texas. The remaining two batteries have been activated and, once operational, will be stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. The test asset just completed a successful intercept test in late July from the Pacific Spaceport Complex in Kodiak, Alaska.

The sixth battery is in training and will reach initial operational capability in the first quarter of fiscal 2018, and the seventh battery is accepting personnel and equipment and is expected to reach IOC by the fourth quarter of FY18.

There is talk about potentially deploying THAAD to the Central and European Command areas of operation, but nothing has moved past the discussion phase.
 

ohan_qwe

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Under the current political climate THAAD may be used against North Korean missiles, what are your best guess against how effective THAAD is?

Questions:
Does North Korean missiles have any maneuverability(MARV) or countermeasures against ABMs?
Have THAAD been designed/tested against targets with MARV or countermeasures?

I assume that modern microchips and guidance systems are available for the North Koreans, would it be hard to make a MARV nowdays if CEP could be 1km?
 

Jeff Head

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Under the current political climate THAAD may be used against North Korean missiles, what are your best guess against how effective THAAD is?

Questions:
Does North Korean missiles have any maneuverability(MARV) or countermeasures against ABMs?
Have THAAD been designed/tested against targets with MARV or countermeasures?

I assume that modern microchips and guidance systems are available for the North Koreans, would it be hard to make a MARV nowdays if CEP could be 1km?
I personally worked on THAAD in the 1990s...and we had it ready to go when Clinton canceled it.

it was going to be VERY effective.

it has gotten much netter now, with the later generation sensors and missile capabilities.

It will be a very good asset to have in place.

They are certainly good enough to knock down relatively small barages of a few missiles.

The larger the barrage, the more missiles you will need.

A GREAT combo for any country would be the AEGIS Ashore with 64 cells (or more) backed up by THAADS with its 49 missiles per battery. Those two together could really diminish any attack by ballistic missiles.

But, when you consider that North Korea has thousands of ballistic missiles (albeit most of them are old and not accurate), you would need far too many to be able to stop an all out assault by them.

An all out assault can be blunted to protect the critical warfighting apabilites...but a lot of civilians would die because the types of weapons the North has are really for saturation attacks against civilians. Seol would be horrible damaged.

But THAADS and other US defense systems can ensure that the ability for the US and South Korea' military to retain the capability to defeat the invading North Korean military...and allow time for US Air Force, SKOR Air Force and US Navy air units to take out the launchers and the military from the air. They would very quickly establish air supremancy and use that to blunt and then stop any invasion.

But the truth is...there are simply far too many missiles pointed at Seol to keep it frm being hurt badly as a city. to defeat the military push by the North cour retain intact.
 

Jeff Head

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Excellent article again with minelayers armed with guns, torpedoes and even SAMs !

Wonsan and Nampo minelayer classes of the South Korean Navy
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Well, the article indicates that they are the larges, most modern mine ships.

They are good, and the new class t 4,200 tons is large.

But the Japanese Uraga is larger, and displaces 5,500 tons. There are two of them MST-463 and MST-464.

Also uses a 76mm gun and a full, modern sensor array...but does not have a VLS (which apparently the newest SKOR vessel does).

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D_Mitch

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The Japanese vessels are the largest but not the most advanced. South Korean vessels, except the heavy armament, can carry 3 times the amount of mines the Japanese vessels carry (which I find it quite strange..) and have by far more advanced sensors. The Japanese vessels, which I mentioned them in my article, have not yer received their full equipment.
 
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