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AndrewS

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Singapore also has mandatory conscription. So if they had actually had to properly pay their soldiers, their defense spending would be higher still.

Plus I doubt it's worth building pocket carriers.

From the Singapore POV, the biggest threats to their core territory are the much larger Muslim nations of Malaysia and Indonesia which are literally next door. They're better off with more air superiority assets than going for a bigger navy with pocket carriers.

And in terms of economic health, they're a small city-state that is heavily reliant on freedom of commercial navigation.

So for these reasons, they've categorically stated that if the US Navy ever leaves Asia, they won't hesitate to bandwagon with China to guarantee their territorial integrity and economic health.

After all, they are also a wealthy and technologically advanced one-party meritocratic state with a Chinese majority. And China respects them because Singapore has managed to achieve what the Communist Party ultimately wants China to become.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
kwaigonegin said:
Yes, honest error on my part.. I had meant to say La Fayette.. NOT La Fremm! thanks for keeping me honest!
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LOL hope you're not dodging real problems like what I asked before (and will ask for the second, and last :) time now):

Jura said:
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plus I would be interested in answers to questions I asked yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/so...s-reports-data-etc.t5809/page-132#post-395446
now making it
#3 "the deck, strong enough?"
which FORBIN seems to have answered as

FORBIN said:
1/ Definitely not for a fighter which do in more 30 t.

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... is he right?
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... so, is that Pocket Aircraft Carrier able to operate F-35Bs at all, or they would be too heavy for her?
 
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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Jura said:
LOL hope you're not dodging real problems like what I asked before (and will ask for the second, and last :) time now):


... so, is that Pocket Aircraft Carrier able to operate F-35Bs at all, or they would be too heavy for her?
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why would it be? If that is the requirement there is nothing technologically new about launching F-35s off small carriers. It is true that downwash from F35s is hotter than harriers however deck strenghtening and different materials can be use to imitigate that. If singapore acquires these carriers, I'm sure they may seek assistance from the US but deck strenghtening and presevation is not anything secret LOL

As far as weight again no problem.. F-35 is actually not a very large airplane at all compared to the harrier and while weight is more than the Harrier it is still within the acceptable figure for pocket carriers.
Keep in mind the now decom Spanish Navy PdeA carried 12 Harriers.

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The picture is obviously just a guess by the author however I believe the real thing will be relatively similar.
Small carrier for sure but I believe a few of these will satisfy Singapore's strategic needs in the future for reasons already given
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
kwaigonegin said:
... F-35 is actually not a very large airplane at all compared to the harrier and while weight is more than the Harrier it is still within the acceptable figure for pocket carriers.
Keep in mind the now decom Spanish Navy PdeA carried 12 Harriers.
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am quickly checking wiki:
  1. Specifications (Sea Harrier FA2)
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    :     26,200 lb (11,900 kg)
  2. F-35B STOVL
    Max takeoff weight 60,000 lb class (27,300 kg)
  3. Spanish aircraft carrier Príncipe de Asturias
    Displacement:
    • 15,912 tons standard,
    • 16,700 tons loaded
    Length: 195.9 m (643 ft)
    Beam: 24.3 m (80 ft)
    Draught: 9.4 m (31 ft)
  4. EDIT this comes from
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    "The new Endurance 160 design is a 14,500 ton warship with a full length flight deck. The length overall is 163.7 meters, with the flight deck around 146m long by 25.6m wide with five deck landing spots."
 
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kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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Jura said:
am quickly checking wiki:
  1. Specifications (Sea Harrier FA2)
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    :     26,200 lb (11,900 kg)
  2. F-35B STOVL
    Max takeoff weight 60,000 lb class (27,300 kg)
  3. Spanish aircraft carrier Príncipe de Asturias
    Displacement:
    • 15,912 tons standard,
    • 16,700 tons loaded
    Length: 195.9 m (643 ft)
    Beam: 24.3 m (80 ft)
    Draught: 9.4 m (31 ft)
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    "The new Endurance 160 design is a 14,500 ton warship with a full length flight deck. The length overall is 163.7 meters, with the flight deck around 146m long by 25.6m wide with five deck landing spots."
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Exactly.. The endurance class should be able to handle 6 F35s which is half of what P de A carried of Harriers.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
kwaigonegin said:
Exactly.. The endurance class should be able to handle 6 F35s which is half of what P de A carried of Harriers.
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going back to one of my original questions
Monday at 7:24 AM
Jura said:
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how far from Singapore would you send that "pocket aircraft carrier"?...
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now on a tactical level: if you thought the start of hostilities could be imminent (for example ... bad guys were embarking tanks on landing craft and at the same time your spies were telling you bad guys are embarking tanks on landing craft to "visit" Singapore),
where would you sail the pocket carrier(s)?
looking again at the map I already posted (reposting below), I (EDIT Armchair Admiral) of course have an idea, but first please you answer :) (if you think the question doesn't make sense, just tell me, thanks)
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kriss

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I think it all depends on the doctrine on the singapore side: after their spy find out the bad guys this loading their guns, will they launch a preemptive attack or only retaliate after they were fired upon. If it's the former, the pocket carrier is of limited use. If it's the latter, these carriers will serve as a crucial part of second strike capability.
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

Captain
If I was a armchair general, I would not make a frontal assault as my first wave. Basically Singapore is a very small nation where mass disruption of the entire nation can be made through guerrilla warfare.
So create cells within the city with very well trained people have them infiltrate at least six months before they start, blending in with the locals checking the policing patterns, listen in on police and military chatter, check all chock points,etc.
The first wave would be a cyber strike disrupting communication, mass transit and financial systems followed by attack on airport, major bridges, sea ports following with disruption of the electrical grid and run a psychological plan running rumors that the drinking waters are contaminated and is not safe to drink pointing one ethnic group as perpetrators.
The second wave would be agitator groups passing on weapons to the local community stating that you can only protect yourself bringing anarchy to the nation in which the government would require to pull in the military to initiate a state emergency. At this point the military would be too much per-occupied upholding internal peace.
This is the time to call in the big guns as the third and final wave.
A pocket carrier would be helpless in the first and second wave and when they launch the planes to show of force during state emergency the infiltration group can hit them with stinger missiles to start the third wave.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
I know it's sales talk, but interesting:
Saab offers Malaysia a Winning Choice with RBS 15
The Royal Malaysian Navy operates in a strategically demanding environment of the disputed South China Sea which has witnessed several incidents of boarding parties, detainment, poaching and even naval skirmishes. It was pointed out at a recent Shangri-La Dialogue discussion that Asia-Pacific states confront an extraordinarily wide array of maritime capability requirements, ranging from the need to deter potential adversaries in territorial and other disputes at one end of the spectrum, and at the other end of the spectrum requirements related to the protection of maritime resources, counter-piracy, counter-trafficking, and responding to natural disasters and accidents.

As part of its modernization drive, the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) is currently looking at procurement of missile corvettes, anti-submarine helicopters and small crafts to deal with such threats, while seeking to replace its obsolete missiles and torpedoes with urgency.

It is in that context that Saab, which has been a trusted supplier to Malaysian armed forces for more than four decades now, has offered Malaysia its true fire and forget missile system, the RBS 15. The RBS15 Mk3 is the most modern surface-to surface missile system that not only gives a navy the power to act but also the power to win. As a long-range system, it is excellent as a main anti-surface armament for any type of naval vessel. It is specially designed to operate in a diverse range of scenarios, from anti-ship engagement in blue waters and littorals to land attack missions. The RBS15 family is already used by nine different Services in six countries.

Latest generation Surface-to-Surface Missile
The RBS15 Mk3 represents the latest generation of advanced surface-to-surface missile (SSM) systems. It is a true fire and forget multi-purpose anti-ship/land attack, sea skimming, cruise type missile. The missile possesses a high hit probability due to a flexible, pre-launch programmable, active radar seeker. It has unique ECCM capabilities and an approach profile that maximizes the defence penetration potential by utilizing a stealthy approach with a sea-skimming terminal trajectory and evasive manoeuvres.

The RBS15F ER is the latest generation air-to-surface version in the RBS15 missile family. It can be launched from both fighter aircraft and reconnaissance aircraft. The RBS15 missile is designed to operate in the naval scenario, from blue water conditions to littoral warfare and in land attack missions. It can be launched from ship, land and airborne platforms making it suitable for a wide spectrum of threat scenarios. The long flight range and extremely flexible trajectory enables attacks from short distances to ranges well beyond the horizon. Attacks can also be mounted from different directions with pre-selected time of arrival for each missile as well as simultaneous arrival.

Each missile is contained in a canister, which serves as launcher as well as environmental protection throughout the missile’s life cycle - a round of ammunition concept. The RBS15 navigation system utilizes both GPS and an Inertial Measurement Unit allowing it to provide a high level of accuracy in all situations. The warhead is large and powerful, optimized for maximum damage to ships and with a pre-fragmented HE blast. The instantaneous or delayed initiation of the warhead is triggered by direct impact or a proximity sensor.

The state-of-the-art design of the RBS15 Mk3 results in high availability, reliability and maintainability and long maintenance intervals, thus the cost of ownership is very low during the system’s specified lifetime of 30 years.
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Brumby

Brumby

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Jura said:
I know it's sales talk, but interesting:
Saab offers Malaysia a Winning Choice with RBS 15

source:
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The RBS15 Mk3 represents the latest generation of advanced surface-to-surface missile (SSM) systems. It is a true fire and forget multi-purpose anti-ship/land attack, sea skimming, cruise type missile. The missile possesses a high hit probability due to a flexible, pre-launch programmable, active radar seeker. It has unique ECCM capabilities and an approach profile that maximizes the defence penetration potential by utilizing a stealthy approach with a sea-skimming terminal trajectory and evasive manoeuvres.
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I understand the RBS 15 can perform terminal random maneuver.
 
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