South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)
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joshuatree
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I'm going to post under this thread since the International Hydrographic Organization defines a portion of the Bashi Channel as part of the SCS.
It appears some of the expected new patrol boats the Philippines will get from Japan will be assigned to this sector. But more interesting, there was a confrontation between the PCG and CGA over a Taiwanese fishing vessel 18NM northeast of Batanes, I do not believe UNCLOS permits any extra set of rights in the contiguous zone (between 12 NM to 24NM). CGA 118 was the responding vessel on the Taiwanese side.
It appears some of the expected new patrol boats the Philippines will get from Japan will be assigned to this sector. But more interesting, there was a confrontation between the PCG and CGA over a Taiwanese fishing vessel 18NM northeast of Batanes, I do not believe UNCLOS permits any extra set of rights in the contiguous zone (between 12 NM to 24NM). CGA 118 was the responding vessel on the Taiwanese side.
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many in Philippines don't agree with Aguino's latest provocative statement.
Unnecessary provocation of China by the President
June 3, 2015 11:24 pm
Note that the Aquino government’s approach to territorial disputes actually worsened the situation for the Philippines. Chinese expansion in the West Philippine Sea has accelerated, not slowed down, under President Aquino’s watch. Today, Filipino fishermen have even less access to fishing grounds than before, thanks to more harassment by Chinese warships. Also, tension in the region is rising as the United States beefs up its naval presence and steps up its rhetoric against China.
We can only hope that President Aquino has a rational endgame in mind. Is he instead expecting the Chinese to be intimidated by US naval presence around the disputed territories? The Chinese are more likely to harden their position, which threatens to spawn a new “cold war” against the US. We doubt that the Philippines is ready for something like that.
Is the Philippines hoping for a hot war between China and US over the disputed territories? We hope not, because when giants collide, little players like the Philippines risk being squashed. More formally, instability in the Asia Pacific would threaten economic development in the entire region, including the Philippines.
President Aquino is better off sticking to his economic agenda during his state visit. Rightly so, he will be appealing for more Japanese investments in the Philippines. We sense that some Japanese investors feel uneasy about doing business on the mainland because of their country’s own row with the Chinese. We wonder, though, if President Aquino thinks that engaging the Chinese in a verbal tussle will endear him to prospective Japanese investors. They are likely to give more weight to economic considerations and rates of return than to whatever posturing the President makes.
Even if President Aquino feels compelled to raise the issue during his meeting with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, did he have to announce it? Surely, the Japanese have been alerted to the topics that President Aquino wishes to tackle with the premier. Does he think that his pre-departure statement will enhance the quality of his bilateral talks? Does President Aquino think that China will retreat from the West Philippine Sea upon hearing reports that Manila and Tokyo are joining forces against Beijing? Again, that would be improbable. The more likely outcome is that it would bolster the hawks in China and contribute to the further hardening of its stand.
Frankly, President Aquino’s pronouncements puzzle us. Clearly, he wants to assert the Philippine claims. But he should reflect on whether his efforts are actually working. It does not seem so.
To be clear, we support the Philippine claims against any foreign power. But we also believe that the disputed territories issue should not define our relations with China. We also believe that we have more to gain from befriending China than by antagonizing it unnecessarily and contributing to the escalation of tensions between the Chinese and Americans. Lastly, we believe in a peaceful resolution to the conflict through diplomacy. But for a peaceful and mutually beneficial resolution to be reached, President Aquino should first learn the proverb: “You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.”
8 Responses to Unnecessary provocation of China by the President
Unnecessary provocation of China by the President
June 3, 2015 11:24 pm
Note that the Aquino government’s approach to territorial disputes actually worsened the situation for the Philippines. Chinese expansion in the West Philippine Sea has accelerated, not slowed down, under President Aquino’s watch. Today, Filipino fishermen have even less access to fishing grounds than before, thanks to more harassment by Chinese warships. Also, tension in the region is rising as the United States beefs up its naval presence and steps up its rhetoric against China.
We can only hope that President Aquino has a rational endgame in mind. Is he instead expecting the Chinese to be intimidated by US naval presence around the disputed territories? The Chinese are more likely to harden their position, which threatens to spawn a new “cold war” against the US. We doubt that the Philippines is ready for something like that.
Is the Philippines hoping for a hot war between China and US over the disputed territories? We hope not, because when giants collide, little players like the Philippines risk being squashed. More formally, instability in the Asia Pacific would threaten economic development in the entire region, including the Philippines.
President Aquino is better off sticking to his economic agenda during his state visit. Rightly so, he will be appealing for more Japanese investments in the Philippines. We sense that some Japanese investors feel uneasy about doing business on the mainland because of their country’s own row with the Chinese. We wonder, though, if President Aquino thinks that engaging the Chinese in a verbal tussle will endear him to prospective Japanese investors. They are likely to give more weight to economic considerations and rates of return than to whatever posturing the President makes.
Even if President Aquino feels compelled to raise the issue during his meeting with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, did he have to announce it? Surely, the Japanese have been alerted to the topics that President Aquino wishes to tackle with the premier. Does he think that his pre-departure statement will enhance the quality of his bilateral talks? Does President Aquino think that China will retreat from the West Philippine Sea upon hearing reports that Manila and Tokyo are joining forces against Beijing? Again, that would be improbable. The more likely outcome is that it would bolster the hawks in China and contribute to the further hardening of its stand.
Frankly, President Aquino’s pronouncements puzzle us. Clearly, he wants to assert the Philippine claims. But he should reflect on whether his efforts are actually working. It does not seem so.
To be clear, we support the Philippine claims against any foreign power. But we also believe that the disputed territories issue should not define our relations with China. We also believe that we have more to gain from befriending China than by antagonizing it unnecessarily and contributing to the escalation of tensions between the Chinese and Americans. Lastly, we believe in a peaceful resolution to the conflict through diplomacy. But for a peaceful and mutually beneficial resolution to be reached, President Aquino should first learn the proverb: “You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.”
8 Responses to Unnecessary provocation of China by the President
- vg says:
I am saddened that Aquino will not discuss things with China on a Nation to nation basis but he will come to an agreement with a terrorist group (MILF). He needs to learn that our president must talk with Nations and he must not negotiate with terrorists.
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June 4, 2015 at 6:27 am CORECTED
Pres. Aquino has to stand tall to react to China’s encroachment on Philippine sea, and Japan is the right venue to show it. Your comment is that of a “saling pusa” Filipino mentality
- bobby ulili says:
pn0y is an idi0t wh0 always w0rsen things
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- jaime says:
I said before, previous presidents followed the counsel of Deng Xiao Peng “TO LET SLEEPING DOG ALONE” and our fishermen were not bothered by China in Scarborough shoal. But when refurbished boat from US christened BRP GREGORIO DEL PILAR arrived Pnoy sent it to Scarborough and harassed the Chinese fishermen. The rest is history and the Filipino fishermen from Zambales are suffering. Our government chose to be adversarial rather than diplomatic in approaching China problem. Of course all all Filipinos must support our claims over west Philippine sea but must we insult China?
- hector says:
Apart from displaying his usual lack of statesmanship, Pnoy aquino forgets that under his watch the philippines remains barbaric, the centre of child trafficking, sex tourism, extra-judicial killings, human rights abuses, and is the most corrupt country in asia. His name will no doubt become a future reference point to mean abuse and mis-management on a grand scale.
I also doubt he raised the issue of filipino comfort women abused by the japanese, and conveniently forgot that it was his family/grandfather who was a national traitor by helping the japanese in the war. Ironic.
Pnoy aquino always likes to have a villain to focus upon and deflect from his own failings. He needs to look closer to home.
Pnoy aquino couldn’t negotiate down a one way street. He should keep his mouth shut rather than open it and make a fool of himself in public. How to lose friends and alienate people.
- Approved says:
This is also the same with what our President want about the Passage of BBL Laws. Talk first without thinking . Sign it first without considering the risk even if it violate our constitutions.let the future President carry the burden . No amount of good work that you has achieved already for the country will even be equal if you allowed a Laws to be passed even if knowingly it violate our constitution and put our country sovereignty at risk. May bansang Pilipinas pa ba para sa mga susunod na generasyon ?
- P.Akialamiro says:
Tactless, full of bravado and hubris. These describe the acts of Pres. B S Aquino government’s actuations toward the West Philippine Sea issue with China. He was even proud to announce the procurement of 10 speedboarts from Japan using the people’s money.
He may be coming home ‘bragging’ the highest honors given to him by the Japanese government. Of course, it won’t be that surprise with the kind of money he had to part for those boats which, compared to the Chinese sea power, are nothing. I wonder what are the guidelines to qualify a head of state to receive that honor from the host country. I hope those boats were not acquired to boost the navy of the country against China.
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Pres. Aquino has to stall tall to react to China’s encroachment on Philippine sea, and Japan is the right venue to show it. Your comment is that of a “saling pusa” Filipino mentality.
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Blackstone
Brigadier
Here's a typical lazy, sloppy, and misleading story I see a lot recently in the Western "free press." Reuters' article about Taiwan's new Coast Guard cutters implies they were in part launched in response to Mainland China's assertive actions in the South China Sea, when in reality Taiwan is/was most likely acting against Japan and the Philippines. These agenda-driven "news" are nothing more than non-government sponsored propaganda that does nothing to "inform the public" with unbiased reports, but instead fan the flames for higher ratings and more readers. General William Tecumseh Sherman was absolutely right about reporters.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Either way it forces the current Administration to show some kind of action against the opposition forces (this being China) or else get the wrath from their bias reporting in other issues.
Okay guys...again...as I said on the Chinese SCC Strategy thread, this back and forth can go on forever.
This thread is about the other nation's Strategy so lets keep on topic about their strategy.
Take any discussions about Chinese Strategy to the other thread.
I believe everyone has pretty much had their say about the various EEZ, Territorial limits, and various claims under UNCLOS. Now we are just seeing rehashes of those same arguments.
Any more of that will be deleted to avoid endless argument and back and forth.
Let's get back to the other nation's Strategy in the SCS and leave the countering of it with other Chinese strategy out of this thread. As I say, take the Chinese strategies and reactions to the other thread where will do the same...avoiding countering there with other nation's strategies.
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This thread is about the other nation's Strategy so lets keep on topic about their strategy.
Take any discussions about Chinese Strategy to the other thread.
I believe everyone has pretty much had their say about the various EEZ, Territorial limits, and various claims under UNCLOS. Now we are just seeing rehashes of those same arguments.
Any more of that will be deleted to avoid endless argument and back and forth.
Let's get back to the other nation's Strategy in the SCS and leave the countering of it with other Chinese strategy out of this thread. As I say, take the Chinese strategies and reactions to the other thread where will do the same...avoiding countering there with other nation's strategies.
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joshuatree
Captain
Looks like more of the same, all eggs in one basket. That is a massive gamble and contrary to trying to keep relations strong. I get the feeling the Aquino administration simply doesn't know how to engage the Xi administration. Because at the least, even hammering out a procedural understanding when intercepting respective fishermen would benefit and de-escalate both sides. Outside examples would be the US and China not seeing eye-to-eye but even they've established a procedure for unscheduled ship to ship contact. Even the finance ministers of China and Japan are holding talks and we all know how acrimonious the relation between the two are.
Nah, I haven't seen that. Aside from history issues and Senkaku case both governments always find a way to talk and compromise (back in the old days and now) especially when it comes to trade. I'm not taking about Yakuza's like Kudo-kai which killed all of the Chinese Triada's guys who wanted to enter business in southern Japan and attacked even PRC's consulate in Fukuoka of course
