Shenyang / SAC - newly announced 5th generation fighter

Deino

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I think this thread is meant to discuss the "new fighter/combat aircraft" from SAC from the announcement of a new project last week. But I don't know if that announcement is the same as the navalized FC-31 project (which we've known about for ages).

I suggest we keep all three threads separate for now:
- this thread (in air force forum)
- general FC-31 thread (in air force forum)
- J-XY thread (in naval forum)

The general FC-31 and J-XY threads could be merged later on, or the general FC-31 thread could be locked and J-XY thread remained open later if need be.


But as far as I can see we don't know yet if the "new project" from SAC is specifically about the navalized/carrier based FC-31.

Ok, and I can perfectly live with that ... my biggest concern however is, that then we'll have eventually/mots likely not only double posts but tripple posts of certain developments in all three threads.

But ok.
 

Blitzo

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Ok, and I can perfectly live with that ... my biggest concern however is, that then we'll have eventually/mots likely not only double posts but tripple posts of certain developments in all three threads.

But ok.

Atm I think the situation is fluid enough that it is something we can live with.

Once/when we get confirmation of the existence of the J-XY/J-35/navalized FC-31, I think we can move all of the relevant posts into the J-XY thread (and appropriately rename it) and then to lock the standard FC-31 thread. This thread can either then be left to exist or we can merge it with the "Other Chinese 5th gen concepts" thread.
 

Deino

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What is difference between j31 and j35


As you said yourself in the FC-31 thread, the J-35 is most likely the revised serial variant aimed as the PLAN 's next generation carrier-borne fighter developed of the FC-31. Otherwise there is no J-31.
 

Scorpio

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As you said yourself in the FC-31 thread, the J-35 is most likely the revised serial variant aimed as the PLAN 's next generation carrier-borne fighter developed of the FC-31. Otherwise there is no J-31.
So i am right that j35 is version of j31
 

Schwerter_

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I think this is the best thread to post this piece of news...?

This official article published by the Chinese Aeronautical Establishment explicitly states that 601th institute is working on a "new-generation fighter" and it's maiden flight is due in some time next year ( AKA 2021), later in the article (not on the screenshot), it also mentions 29th institute (which mainly focuses on avionics and in paticular Electronics Warfare from what I can find out) is also in the project.

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Here's the entire article in Chinese
【奋战“双过半”】
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工业综合所某新型战机技术基础专项全力以赴保节点
中国航空研究院 今天
综合所某新型战机技术基础专项是针对国家重点型号工程开展的综合性、多专业的正向设计研制任务,该专项综合策划基于MBSE的标准化与“六性”工作,以推动型号标准化和通用质量特性技术应用能力提升。自新冠疫情以来,专项团队在打好疫情攻坚战的同时,科学开展复工复产,以确保新一代战斗机2021年首飞如期实现。
“暂停键”变“快进键”
突如而来的疫情让整个世界似乎按了暂停键,也打破了专项团队的工作计划。按照原计划,专项团队的两个小组——MBSE工作组和测试性工作组都应该在春节后就前往601所开展工作,疫情的到来让原本的出差计划一拖再拖,最终在三月下旬才顺利抵达客户单位。
要“追”才能如期交付。为了追回被延误的时间,团队不惜付出更多的时间和人力成本,派出了比原定多两倍的人员出差,周期也由一周延长超过了一个月。赵中阁是MBSE工作组的一员,作为团队的核心成员,他每天工作12个小时,出差整整一个月,期间就休息了一天。此次任务需要前往沈阳601所和成都29所两个单位出差,因辗转多地,期间不得不做了两次核酸检测,当返回北京后,又进行了必要的居家隔离才得以返岗工作。团队另一成员彭超,春节假期一直滞留在湖北至四月初才返京,刚刚过完十四天隔离期,因工作需要便立刻前往沈阳,在沈阳疫情较严重时也坚守在601所,连着几个月没能见到新婚妻子。测试性工作组的黄翠红,以“997”模式驻扎沈阳连轴转了两个月,耐心带领“徒弟”刘杨,在短时间高强度工作下完成了七个分系统的建模与分析工作,受到客户的认可和好评。“黄姐给我最大的印象就是耐心,无论是对待建模工作还是我提出的问题,她总是细心讲解,这次黄姐带我一起完成的仿真模型,总师单位将其作为样板提供给其他单位学习,我感觉太自豪了。她就是我的师傅,我的榜样。”刘杨如是说。
在两个工作组并联加速工作下,被疫情耽搁的工期被抢了回来,原本被推迟了近三个月的工作,现在基本如期完成。按照这个状态完全能够按期交付,确保型号首飞节点不耽误。
速度要有,质量也要有
虽说是“赶”工期,但质量一点没打折扣。在疫情期间,MBSE工作团队在两个月之内明确了技术路线,开发了能够读取模型的插件,建立了平台系统及模型;MBSE新技术打通了数字化环境下与正向设计的融合,形成型号技术能力储备和支持,为未来型号应用的技术验证和其他相关工作奠定了基础。针对601所
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测试性建模工作,项目组编制了工作指南、培训材料和应用案例,并通过电话对数十家参研单位开展了测试性建模技术支持和培训。初步完成了整机测试性模型梳理与集成,以及针对液压系统、环控系统等7个分系统开展了测试性建模与分析工作,评估了产品的测试性设计状态,为后续的设备级测试性建模与综合诊断设计奠定了坚实的基础。两个项目组均以高标准、高要求、高效率、高质量完成了阶段性的任务,交付成果受到客户的一致认可。
当前,在疫情反复尚未解除的情况下,专项工作的开展还会遇到一些困难和阻碍,但项目组的成员们以推动航空工业“基础性”和“共用性”能力提升为目标,在做好疫情防控的同时,牢记使命,全力以赴确保年度科研生产任务的完成。
 

Schwerter_

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Also, I dont have a clue what the "MBSE", which is mentioned multipletimes in the article and seems to be some kind of new tech, is... any info on the subject would be most welcome
 

supercat

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I think this is the best thread to post this piece of news...?

This official article published by the Chinese Aeronautical Establishment explicitly states that 601th institute is working on a "new-generation fighter" and it's maiden flight is due in some time next year ( AKA 2021), later in the article (not on the screenshot), it also mentions 29th institute (which mainly focuses on avionics and in paticular Electronics Warfare from what I can find out) is also in the project.

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Here's the entire article in Chinese
【奋战“双过半”】
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工业综合所某新型战机技术基础专项全力以赴保节点
中国航空研究院 今天
综合所某新型战机技术基础专项是针对国家重点型号工程开展的综合性、多专业的正向设计研制任务,该专项综合策划基于MBSE的标准化与“六性”工作,以推动型号标准化和通用质量特性技术应用能力提升。自新冠疫情以来,专项团队在打好疫情攻坚战的同时,科学开展复工复产,以确保新一代战斗机2021年首飞如期实现。
“暂停键”变“快进键”
突如而来的疫情让整个世界似乎按了暂停键,也打破了专项团队的工作计划。按照原计划,专项团队的两个小组——MBSE工作组和测试性工作组都应该在春节后就前往601所开展工作,疫情的到来让原本的出差计划一拖再拖,最终在三月下旬才顺利抵达客户单位。
要“追”才能如期交付。为了追回被延误的时间,团队不惜付出更多的时间和人力成本,派出了比原定多两倍的人员出差,周期也由一周延长超过了一个月。赵中阁是MBSE工作组的一员,作为团队的核心成员,他每天工作12个小时,出差整整一个月,期间就休息了一天。此次任务需要前往沈阳601所和成都29所两个单位出差,因辗转多地,期间不得不做了两次核酸检测,当返回北京后,又进行了必要的居家隔离才得以返岗工作。团队另一成员彭超,春节假期一直滞留在湖北至四月初才返京,刚刚过完十四天隔离期,因工作需要便立刻前往沈阳,在沈阳疫情较严重时也坚守在601所,连着几个月没能见到新婚妻子。测试性工作组的黄翠红,以“997”模式驻扎沈阳连轴转了两个月,耐心带领“徒弟”刘杨,在短时间高强度工作下完成了七个分系统的建模与分析工作,受到客户的认可和好评。“黄姐给我最大的印象就是耐心,无论是对待建模工作还是我提出的问题,她总是细心讲解,这次黄姐带我一起完成的仿真模型,总师单位将其作为样板提供给其他单位学习,我感觉太自豪了。她就是我的师傅,我的榜样。”刘杨如是说。
在两个工作组并联加速工作下,被疫情耽搁的工期被抢了回来,原本被推迟了近三个月的工作,现在基本如期完成。按照这个状态完全能够按期交付,确保型号首飞节点不耽误。
速度要有,质量也要有
虽说是“赶”工期,但质量一点没打折扣。在疫情期间,MBSE工作团队在两个月之内明确了技术路线,开发了能够读取模型的插件,建立了平台系统及模型;MBSE新技术打通了数字化环境下与正向设计的融合,形成型号技术能力储备和支持,为未来型号应用的技术验证和其他相关工作奠定了基础。针对601所
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测试性建模工作,项目组编制了工作指南、培训材料和应用案例,并通过电话对数十家参研单位开展了测试性建模技术支持和培训。初步完成了整机测试性模型梳理与集成,以及针对液压系统、环控系统等7个分系统开展了测试性建模与分析工作,评估了产品的测试性设计状态,为后续的设备级测试性建模与综合诊断设计奠定了坚实的基础。两个项目组均以高标准、高要求、高效率、高质量完成了阶段性的任务,交付成果受到客户的一致认可。
当前,在疫情反复尚未解除的情况下,专项工作的开展还会遇到一些困难和阻碍,但项目组的成员们以推动航空工业“基础性”和“共用性”能力提升为目标,在做好疫情防控的同时,牢记使命,全力以赴确保年度科研生产任务的完成。
China's new-generation fighter jet is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2021, says People's Daily. Analysts speculate it will be China's new aircraft carrier-based fighter jet. Wondering if it's an improved version of FC-31/J-35 or something else
 
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