Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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SinoSoldier

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So, apparently, 2019 will be the date for the unveiling of a production variant, which will enter service around 2025.

Why does a "production variant" need 6 years to complete flight testing? This FC-31 program is crawling at a snail's pace.
 

Schumacher

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It's probably a combination of the stupid meme about "copycat China" and that if people see two aircraft that look somewhat similar, they think "knockoff". (Given the F-35 = J-31, I wonder why those geniuses don't also allege that the MiG-25 ripped off the F-15. But I probably shouldn't give them any ideas).
I'm sure the J31 team learned from F35, like how not to design a next gen stealth fighter.
 

siegecrossbow

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Only English news source I could find on J-31's (model) presence at Dubai. Sorry about the obvious biases within the article.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — China showcased its first stealth fighter jet here on the opening day of the Dubai Air Show, but so far the fifth-generation aircraft has no customers in sight.

The Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) is "in negotiations" with the Chinese Air Force to buy the multi-role FC-31, AVIC project manager Lin Peng told reporters on Sunday. Peng declined to say when a deal would be finalized.

Top company officials briefed the media on the stealth characteristics and attack capabilities of the FC-31, but did not take questions from the audience.

This is the first time the Chinese company has showcased the FC-3, also known as the J-31 internationally, although a prototype aircraft flew during the Zhuhai Air Show in China last year. Chinese fighters are designated with a "J" for fighter and "FC" for export.
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FC-31 would be the first aircraft of its kind available to global customers who face US export restrictions or cannot afford Lockheed Martin's F-35 joint strike fighter. The Chinese company is trying to pitch the FC-31 as a competitor to the JSF, but at this point it is unclear how successful this will be. The customer lineup appears to be Iran and Pakistan.

The FC-31, which closely resembles the F-35, is a medium-sized, low-observable aircraft designed for "the demands of future battlefield environments," Peng told reporters during the briefing.

Officials touted the aircraft's "outstanding situational awareness" achieved with advanced radar, high maneuvering capabilities, and multi-spectrum low-observability. The plane is equipped with twin engines made in China, officials said — not the Russian RD-93 engines previously on the aircraft.

The FC-31 will carry the Small Diameter Bomb, as well as a variety of guided and unguided weapons, officials said.

The test aircraft has been flying for more than two years, Peng told reporters after the briefing. AVIC is planning first flight of the production aircraft in 2019, with initial operational capability scheduled for 2022. The FC-31 will be fully operational in 2024.

US officials and analysts widely believe the FC-31 design was stolen from the F-35 after reports of a major cyber breach of Lockheed's programs by Chinese hackers in April 2009.

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no_name

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It's probably a combination of the stupid meme about "copycat China" and that if people see two aircraft that look somewhat similar, they think "knockoff". (Given the F-35 = J-31, I wonder why those geniuses don't also allege that the MiG-25 ripped off the F-15. But I probably shouldn't give them any ideas).

They can't. F-15 came out after the Mig-25. In fact F-15 development is partly driven by the need for a counter to (what was then) overestimated capabilities of the Mig-25. The Soviets' counter part to the F-15 is the Su-27.
 

Skywatcher

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They can't. F-15 came out after the Mig-25. In fact F-15 development is partly driven by the need for a counter to (what was then) overestimated capabilities of the Mig-25. The Soviets' counter part to the F-15 is the Su-27.
I know, that's the point. The analogy I mean meant that saying the J-31 is a copy of the F-35 makes just as much sense as the F-15 was ripped off by the Soviets to make the MiG-25, just looking at physical similarities.
 

danielchin

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Actually there was one Foxbat defected to Japan in 1976 (by then Russian pilot Lieutenant Belenko), Japanese government allowed the Americans to dismantled and examined the plane extensively before packed the components inboxes and sent them back to Russia.
 

Jeff Head

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Do they really think that copying is in fact designing and building an aircraft simply via a few terabytes of information - especially based on a single-engined design - and that is sooo easy !??

Either I'm too naïve or a few recent US reports on Chinese items are getting worse and worse ...
Two things I have observed when it comes to the J-31.

1...in the press, they are completely unfamiliar with it, and so many outlets, even if they have defense oriented names, simply pass on the foolish rumors that have heard...or more likely, in what passes in many places for modern journalism, what they find on blogs on the net for it.

I would not worry too much about such. There are some credible places where true analysis goes on...sadly, I have not found DefenseNews typically to be one of those places.

2...Many in the Chinese fanboi culture simply want the J-31 to succeed so badly, that they go to almost any length to project that success.

I am not saying it will not succeed, I am saying that as of now, it has not gone anywhere. And it has been out there now for well over three years. No more prototypes, no international interest, and no indication to date that the PLAAF or PLAN are seriously interested. That might change...but I will wait on something official at this stage before projecting great success for the design. Surely building more prototypes will be an initial visible indication of more movement on the project. I would at least wait for that.

Heck, the YF-23 was an unbelievable great design. Two prototypes were built. But it lost to the F-22 and as much as many of us in the US would love to see it re-incarnated...at this stage it is very highly unlikely. I fear the J-31 may go that same path.
 

Jeff Head

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And, in that regard, it replicates the f-35, absolutely.
Nice try Janjak. But actually, it does not.

There are something approaching 140 F-35s flying. They are the most tested aircraft in history.

Aboard US Navy nuclear carriers, aboard US Navy LHDs...they are performing better than expected.

The Air Force has taken them to 110 degree off angle and successfully continued normal flight.

Many nations are waiting in line for them and aircraft for the UK, Australia, Italy, the Netherlands, etc. have already flown.

These are not fan boy projections or hopes, Janjak, these are the facts.

So, no...the comparison absolutely does not hold, and is wholly inaccurate.

I will tell you what is much more accurate however, and that is that people who want to see the F-35 fail so badly are the ones will go almost to any length to project that failure.

Janjak, you took this OT, and now I have now responded. No more OT regarding this type of thing on this thread will be permitted.
 
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