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Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation
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That’s peanuts to be honest. $400million in 2months? brazil for example who is at the other side of the world from a trade behemoth like China traded about $24billion with China since January and its growing every year. It’s amazing that N. Korea despite seeing how every country in her region has opened up to trade and integration and gotten more and more wealthy, still refuses any form of opening up/reform . It’s actually astonishing to see such level of stubbornness.
It’s even more amazing how much the Kim dynasty has managed to lock his country and people for over half a century without pause. It’s really a tragedy for the N.Korean people to be honest. The wrong system/leaders can make even the most intelligent/smart/hard working people fail. Sad.
DPRK is banned from nearly all forms of international trade and investment via UNSC resolutions and this is enforced by various regional navies and monitoring. DPRK didn't wake up and choose 0 trade, they chose to secure their country via nuclearization, and this was the extraordinary (and quite unprecedented) cost. DPRK has gone through multiple waves of economic liberalization including the SEZ model and reforms that actually go farther in some ways than Cuba has been willing to until recently lol.
You can go check the and see which of the compelling investment projects you're willing to call them up and invest in? You'll be breaking international law and making an enemy of the UNSC, oh and it's basically impossible to ensure payment unless you have connections with specific chinese black market sanction evading banks but no worries i'm sure you'll figure it out.
Brazil has around 10x the population of DPRK and is likely an order of magnitude more well endowed with natural resources. Despite that it's only about 60x more in trade with China while having 0 UNSC sanctions limiting investment/trade. Sad!
Yes because the fat Kim dynasty choosed the wrong path to a death end as Chinas foreign minister wang yin often says about other things lol
They could have made a deal and normalised relations with the South Korea/US(even if it meant freezing their nuclear program ), Afterall , they are the only country in the world China has a mutual defense treaty with and which China has actually gone to a brutal war with heavy consequences to protect. So there is no way the US can invade them . So at least they have a powerful backer. So they had more leeway and opportunity to make peace and make concessions to get sanctions lifted a and investments to flow in.
Vietnam who doesn’t even have any mutual defense treaty with China (and who hav actually been invaded by France, US, China) still took the risk to negotiate and made concessions and gave up their policy of domination of the Mekong region, stopped getting involved in anti US/western narrative , withdrew completely from the region, sign border treaty with China to resolve their border issues and decided to normalized relations with the US and China and enacted deep reforms to get sanctions lifted and joined the international community , today the results speaks for themselves. They traded about $300billion(yes you read that well) with China last year and it’s rising faster every year, so the maths and you will see how pathetic North Korean figures are. lol Vietnam is not a big country as such . So what excuse can you give for Kim dynasty now ? lol
Kim dynasty should learn from their former friend/partner Vietnam, but seems they still live in the past and refuse to move on . If you can’t even learn from your former friends success then it shows how delusional and incompetent you are.
I just feel prey for the North Korean people . I don’t know what they did in their life to deserve such bad luck.
By the way, this also applies to Iran to some extent . lol.But at least Iran doesn’t even have a mutual defense treaty and powerful backer behind them unlike N.Korea , so I can even forgive the mullah regime a little bit(though I still think they could have done far better job).
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manqiangrexue
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Nah, to be America's enemy may be dangerous but to be its friend is fatal. North Korea cringes at the lack of self-respect seen in South Korea and Vietnam. When Trump threatens, they kneel. When he demands, they accept. These countries are openly robbed by the US with mandatory investments in the hundreds of billions which they will not control once the money enters the US. Your case has proven beyond a doubt that North Korea's choice to stand with a spine could not have been more correct.
Is that why even the CCP has tried to change north koreas stance several times but has failed to do so miserably ? If the kim dynasty policy was so right then why do you think even China has tried to get them to adopt different policies/reforms before ? Even China had to change their stance in the late 70s after Mao’s death. You don’t have to be a US ally/friend(there are no friends in geo politics anyway) but adopting a pragmatic positive relations goes a lon way. And yes they could have made concessions to get a deal done and open up their country /market . Afterall, what does nuclear power brings to the people apart from giving some sort of assurance to the fat Kim dynasty? The people benefits zero from hat it only isolates them even more . They already had a mystical defense treaty with China so any outside intervention is even more far fetched . If they are still insecure then what’s even the point of chin still maintaining that mutual defense treaty ?
admit it, the Kim dynasty has been a failure and a bad luck for North Korean people. The whole of Asia has moved on to economic development and intervention but both Korea is basically the only country in Asia and even the world (along with Eritrea) who have remained stacked in the path. They are basically frozen since the 70s. That’s a tragedy for the North Korean people . To see people supporting is actually funny (ironically it’s always those foreigners who live comfortably in their country that often support the regime, mostly due to their anti US/western stance only. lol but they won’t ever dare go to North Korea to live there . lol)
the Kim dynasty seems to think spending almost all the country’s GDP on military will secure his family dynasty forever . However they seem to forget that a regime doesn’t survive long just based on military might, else the Soviet Union who was over 100times stronger militarily wouldn’t have collapsed. So their time will come one day as well, it’s a matter of when not if.
Like Einstein said “insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results “ . lol
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Have you considered the nukes are not for preventing US but China from intervening in NK's internal affairs?
it is the word from koreantimes, what do you think? The south koreans invented "anti-aircraft gun execution" or "Chinese civilization is created by Korean", they are only good at wishful thinking.
Your logics look good but have a flaw in real life.
The sino-korean pack is both a great garantee for NK not be invaded by US, but also a leash destroying NK's independence. We know that every such military pack will make weaker partners a puppit, vassle state and a slave at the worst, just look at Wassow pack members, NATO member, Japan, SK, Gulf states. Having a powerful backer is a curse if you want to be yourself.
For NK to keep some independent, it has to prove to China that without China's intervention NK can keep US from trying, nukes is the answer and what they did is the consequence. China did the very same when joining the Korean war without USSR's promise of air cover to tell the Soviets that China can do it with or without USSR.
Because of NK's acts, there will never be normal relationship with SK and US because the laters only and always want to destroy NK, just like US would never stop destroying Russia, Israel never stop destroying Syria, Iran. Most importantly why you want to sort of normal relationship with someone who is determined to murder you at every opportunity?
From a person with imperilist mind, NK is crazy, from person who values self determination NK is doing right and well.
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manqiangrexue
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Is what why? I said North Korea's choice was to be anti-American. What's with all the "Is that why" bullshit that doesn't even make sense? What change does China want in North Korea? It wants North Korea to be pro-American and on its knees like you prefer to live?
We did not change our stance; we just got smarter in the same stance. We are still anti-American but instead of direct confrontation, we use much more tact and deception and it worked spectacularly.
To being robbed and punched and spat on. In its final hours of domination, the US attacks everyone it can draw an ounce of meat from.
What deal? There is no deal; have you followed nothing? The "deal" is the US demanding more from you each time the last time was successful. This kind of "deal" is like being mugged and the mugger asking you to give him X, Y, Z in succession.
Looking at Iran and Venezuela, that's all one needs.
Basically, you prefer to be a cruel rich man's fat dog while North Korea prefers to be a starving wolf in the forest. Haven't we already had this conversation about your cowardice? You lost last time; you won't have better luck this time.
I admit that North Koreans live in pride while South Koreans get robbed at will, live on their knees and the kryptonite to ending any argument with them is, "You're an occupied colony."
Most parts of Asia live on their knees to America. North Korea stands. Only China stands and rises above all. North Korea could get smarter like China, but it's definitely not an enslaved vassal like South Korea or Japan. Cruel rich man's fat dog vs mountain wolf analogy again. Of course you'll always display loud and clear how you like to lick the master's boots to escape the cold of the wilderness.
LMFAO keep praying; maybe you can hallucinate their collapse on your death bed. The next leader is Kim's daugher! What a progressive guy!
America didn't like his advice so they killed him LOL
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