Seven Killed in an attack on Police in Aksu City, Xinjiang China!!

bd popeye said:

Are they lying about the conditions or is there some truth?

This is the story how it appeared in the Washington post about 12 minutes ago..Please read

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The problem is every terrorist, armed fighter will give the exact same reasons for their cause whether they're from the countries that I mentioned or other countries having insurgency problem. Why don't these media report on their "reasons" for committing violence when it happens in these other countries?

Quickie said:

The problem is every terrorist, armed fighter will give the exact same reasons for their cause whether they're from the countries that I mentioned or other countries having insurgency problem. Why don't these media report on their "reasons" for committing violence when it happens in these other countries?

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I think what Popeye was getting at with that article is that you shouldn't accuse the media of being biased against China because they didn't use the word "Terrorist" to describe the attack when, as you can see at the end of the Washington Post article, the Chinese government themselves refused to call the attack "Terrorist". They were merely going off of the official statement.

Secondly, I think that at least part of the reason that Western media outlets report on the "reasons" for violence in Xinjiang is that most westerners know absolutely nothing about the situation. I've seen similar phrases used in many other places, for example describing violence against British soldiers and police in Northern Ireland as part of "long-simmering communal tensions between Catholic Republicans and Protestant Loyalists" or something like that. Generally the media throws in something like that about situations where the average American doesn't really know anything about what's going on (which is pretty damn frequent let me tell you).

With that said though, there is a tendency in the US media to present riots in Tibet, bombings in Xinjiang with more of a "freedom fighter" tone than with violence elsewhere.

Secondly, I think that at least part of the reason that Western media outlets report on the "reasons" for violence in Xinjiang is that most westerners know absolutely nothing about the situation.

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Generally the media throws in something like that about situations where the average American doesn't really know anything about what's going on (which is pretty damn frequent let me tell you).

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Absolutely 100% true. Mose Americans could not find China on a map if you spotted them Mongolia, Vietnam, India, Russia & Nepal. Let alone have any sort of idea what's going in within her borders. Sadly many Americans have no clue what's going on in the rest of the World.

Another thought about some of the post in this thread. Some of you are way to sensitive about how the media reports on the news in China. Get over yourselves. China's in the Big Leagues now.

bd popeye said:

Was this attack performed by Uighur separatist? And was it possibly fueled by the ethnic strife in this region? Does nay have a Chinese source for this story? If so please post and translate!

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Yes besides the Uighur separatists no one would commit such an awful act of terrorism. The Uighur Independence movement is funded directly by the Taliban and is listed as an international terrorist organization by the U.S. Government.

Peace upon those killed by this disgraceful act. Also thank you for your objective stance on the subject popeye!

Finn McCool said:

I think what Popeye was getting at with that article is that you shouldn't accuse the media of being biased against China because they didn't use the word "Terrorist" to describe the attack when, as you can see at the end of the Washington Post article, the Chinese government themselves refused to call the attack "Terrorist". They were merely going off of the official statement. .

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I never said anything in the regard of whether the word "terrorist" should be used.

bd popeye said:

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Absolutely 100% true. Mose Americans could not find China on a map if you spotted them Mongolia, Vietnam, India, Russia & Nepal. Let alone have any sort of idea what's going in within her borders. Sadly many Americans have no clue what's going on in the rest of the World.

Another thought about some of the post in this thread. Some of you are way to sensitive about how the media reports on the news in China. Get over yourselves. China's in the Big Leagues now.

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I don't think it's as harmless as you think. Any terrorists or insurgents will be further inflamed with the thoughts of more destruction and mayhem when they come to know that even some big media have come to agree that they have "valid" reasons for their violent actions.

The thing I probably find most annoying about most Western reporting on Western China is how they make it sound as though the whole place is little larger than downtown or Belgium or some such.

Xinjiang itself is about the same size as Europe and the main population centres are great distances from each other, not every non han ethnic group is a Uighur and given the distances it is unlikely that ethnicity will count for much between communities living hundreds of miles apart.

Simmering tensions? If Xinjiang is a pot then the population centres are just a few drops scattered around the base. Aksu and Urumqui are about what? the same distance apart as say Rome and Berlin or maybe New York and Chicago. If you heard about hit and run incidents in these cities maybe a year apart, would you assume that they were somehow linked?

Separatism is certainly overplayed and XInjiang borders an unstable region. There is criminality in China just like anywhere else and major criminal opportunities in Central Asia

1) People Trafficking from Central Asia into China - Hollywood may still love portraying Chinese as victims locked in Sea Crates trying to enter the USA, but in the real world China is a promised land of wealth for millions and they would love a share and escape problems such as Afghanistan Tajikistan etc

2) Gun Running - Insurgency, Civil Unrest and Fundamentalism across the border well what more do you need to know. To quote a classic exchange between Del BOy and granddad from only Fools and Horses

Del Boy "You were caught trying to smuggle guns into Spain during a civil war"

Granddad "Yes Del, its the best time to do it"

It certainly is.

3) Drug Smuggling - Pakistan and Afghanistan are bang next door and produce must get to market and use any possible route. Its a big problem in China just like in Central Asia and Russia.

All of these things are big money enterprises and resent too much police snooping in their lucrative affairs. These go on all day every day while for most of time Separatism barely registers.

I deleted the political & off topic post. You long time members know better. Some politics may arise because of the nature of the discussion. I understand that. Keep the discussion centered on the topic at hand.

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