S. Korean Navy Sejong (KDX III) destroyers

antiterror13

Brigadier
South Korea is too tiny and barely has any usable land. The whole Korean peninsula is just like Japan, already super small and have too many mountains. Another thing is that its labour cost is way too high. As much as South Korea and Japan don't like China, they cannot survive without importing food from it.

The South Korean navy is also too weak to defend its own interest. Everyone here knows that Japan has a leash on its neck installed by Uncle Sam, but not many notice that Korea is also an occupied country to a great extent. You just never hear it on paper. Although Uncle Sam didn't write anything in South Korea's constitution indicating it cannot have offensive capabilities, there are other treaties and charters serving the same purpose as those in the Japanese constitution.

The most prominent one is the limit on missiles over 300km range. (Don't ask me where I got this from, I heard it from a video of weekly analysis, made by think tank similar to Jane's, forgot the actual name of it)

Another thing about Korea is that it is too small. Like most small nations, it may be advanced in few things but will lack in most major areas. In fact, even a lot of things Korea seems to be advanced in, are still really not their own. They are just sub-contractors of those major international conglomerates. It is too backwards in the heavy industry sector. Remember that failed space rocket? It was actually a joint venture between them and the Russians. The Russian-made first stage worked completely fine, but the Korean stage exploded as soon as it was turned on.

South Korea to a great extent is no better than what China was in the early 90s. It is still mainly a subcontractor for other countries, there are barely anything that is truly Korean. In fact, even the Chinese shipyards are doing better than the Koreans, as China actually developed a lot of the things used on its ships, whereas the Koreans only manufacture the shell. Even this King Sejeong The Great class destroyers uses engines from GE, missiles from Raytheon and Aegis system from Lockheed Martin.

you really amaze me, again with your deep analysis.

I don't thing South Korea is that small, 100,000 km2 is not small, even for 40M people. Israel, Taiwan, Singapore, Ceylon and some European countries are a lot smaller than SK

Being small is not necessarily lack in most major area, a good example is Israel
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
it wouldn't change anything, Korean navy wouldn't be able to protect the sea lanes beyond Taiwan, let alone South China Sea and Indian ocean. The key is US Navy, it protects all the sea lanes

That depends on who it needs to protect its sea lanes from.

Currently, the RoKN is 1 of the most technologically advanced and capable navies in Asia. The only other navies in its region that are larger or more capable is the Japanese Navy and the PLAN. If the RoKN got into a confrontation with the PLAN, the USN would be dragged in too. Otherwise, the RoKN will be able to handle the majority of other navies in Asia (less the Indian Navy) if it came down to that.

That alone is priceless as far as national interests go. And for an example of what a helpless Navy look like when sovereignty is being challenged by another country, just look at the Philippines....
 

kroko

Senior Member
Do you think the US navy would build another giant ship similar to Ticonderoga of its day? I mean the Arleigh Burkes are getting bigger and bigger by the day, Ticonderoga as cruisers are no longer so massive compared to the current destroyers. Do you think there will be bigger ships? Similar to the current Russian Varyag and Peter the Great?

I dont think that any nation will ever built a cruiser as big as the kirov class. Not even russia. waaay too specialized and expensive. Aircraft carriers are more effective.
 

VijayP

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Another thing about Korea is that it is too small. Like most small nations, it may be advanced in few things but will lack in most major areas. In fact, even a lot of things Korea seems to be advanced in, are still really not their own. They are just sub-contractors of those major international conglomerates. It is too backwards in the heavy industry sector. Remember that failed space rocket? It was actually a joint venture between them and the Russians. The Russian-made first stage worked completely fine, but the Korean stage exploded as soon as it was turned on.

South Korea to a great extent is no better than what China was in the early 90s. It is still mainly a subcontractor for other countries, there are barely anything that is truly Korean. In fact, even the Chinese shipyards are doing better than the Koreans, as China actually developed a lot of the things used on its ships, whereas the Koreans only manufacture the shell. Even this King Sejeong The Great class destroyers uses engines from GE, missiles from Raytheon and Aegis system from Lockheed Martin.


Wow... this is soooo untrue.. S. Korea no better than China in 1990s?
It's the other way around... China (although bigger) is no better than S. Korea in 1990s...

Here, I am not talking about military power but development in general.

One thing that is true: S. Korea is behind in rocket technology. However, it has truly diversified
industry and top tier player in:

shipbuilding(upper end), nuclear power plant, automobile, semiconductors, consumer electronics, steel,
construction, heavy machinery, precision machinery, telecommunications, high speed rail, etc... etc...

S. Korean wages are way too high (similar to american and higher than most european). It cannot be
just a subcontractor. It has HDI higher than Switzerland, France, etc... and 6th largest trader
(larger than UK, etc)...

Guess who came out as "beneficiaries" of the recent Japanese tsunami... Hyundai and Kia... because they don't manufacture for Japanese nor take parts from japanese... These are industrial giants in their own right.

Chinese shipbuilders topping the race? Come on.. their government pumped money during the dip 2008~2010..
2011, South Korean shipbuilders are sweeping contract after contracts of the upper end ships... these are not "dummy"
bulk carriers that chinese build but mega scale custom made highly sophisticated structures costing upwards 100s of millions if not ~ billion dollars.
Can you explain how S. K. shipbuilders can build the most advanced ships in the world while paying 70~80K/year (average) to their employees and WHILE being just subcontractors? something's not right, correct?

Your analysis, although contains some factual correctness, is way way off the mark.
 
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