Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[Jeff Head]

Current contract is 12 aircraft for s.c. "Ustsnovochnaya parties"(0 series), to be delivered in 2018-2019. All but last two will be in current production standard, last two will be outfitted with new engines.
Afterwards, VKS is waiting for izd.30 equipped aircraft to finish trials, and all numbers are speculative.

Thanks...that is about what I though but thad not heard any new news for a while.

Again, thanks.

 

[FORBIN]

Current contract is 12 aircraft for s.c. "Ustsnovochnaya parties"(0 series), to be delivered in 2018-2019. All but last two will be in current production standard, last two will be outfitted with new engines.
Afterwards, VKS is waiting for izd.30 equipped aircraft to finish trials, and all numbers are speculative.

What's the latest Russian estimate of the numbr of aircraft they are going to build and when.

INitially it was 150 fighters by the early to mid-2020s.

Then it dropped I believe to 55 fighters by 2020-2022.

The latest I remember hearing was that the intial order now would be 12 fighters to be available in 2019-2020.

WHat is the latest procurement plan? does anyone know at this point.

And what has become of India's involvement. Intially they were going to order 166 single seat and 44 two seat, or 210...but that then dropped to 130 single seat and no two seat version in 2014...but I believe since that time they have either further reduced the number or waffled n future involvement significantly.

I am just wondering what the most current offical word is on how many Russia and India are actually planning for sure at this point?

Russian AF want a new generation ofc but more expensive and right now more focused on new Su-30SM and Su-34 orders which are less expensives than Su-35 but mainly all or almost Su-30/34 ordered delivered this year so order time

Confirmation by UAC Russia of the first flight of the last prototype T-50-10 dated 23/12.

 

[asif iqbal]

Russia is trying to kick start it’s high end military but as of now they just don’t have the cash

Resources and manpower also is dwindling

Chinese are on the other hand have ambition and budget to match Sky is the limit

 

[FORBIN]

The Su-57 tests its final engines

Moscow, Russia has begun testing its new fifth-generation Sukhoi su-57 "PAK-FA" fighter (ex-T-50) with its new generation Saturn izdeliye 30 engines. The flight tests with the new engines will last several years. In the meantime, the Russians will build a dozen Su-57s equipped with Saturn AL-41F1 afterburner turbofan engines producing thrust of 32'500 pounds each for operational testing.

Little information has been gleaned regarding the Saturn izdeliye 30 engines, but the new powertrain is expected to deliver 24,054 lb. dry thrust and 39,566 lb. afterburner thrust. According to a Russian spokesperson, these engines will be operational by 2025. The Russian Air Force could buy up to 160 Su-57 combat aircraft, equipped with these new engines.

Looking forward to the new engine:

Moscow has so far placed an initial order of 12 Su-57 aircraft, which will be delivered in 2019. It seems that the Russians are reluctant to buy the initial version of the Su-57 currently powered by turbojet engines. Hybrid Saturn AL-41F1 producing thrust of 32 500 pounds each. It's the same engine as the existing Su-35S "Flanker-E".
Indeed, with the exception of stealth, the Su-35 offers many of the same capabilities as the new fifth-generation fighter. Thus, the Russians are not willing to spend money in a system that offers only a marginal increase in performance in their opinion. For Russians, the real novelty will come from new engines, as well as an improved electronic architecture from 2025.

New armaments:

The aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi is working with several Russian arms companies to adapt 12 types of missiles for the aircraft. Over the next year, six of them will be able to complete the qualifying trials on the Su-57 and the other six by 2020. These include the new RVV-MD air-to-air missile for close combat and RVV-SD for engagements beyond visual range. Compared to the previous generation models, they are equipped with new guidance systems with greater sensitivity and resistance to jamming. The RVV-MD uses a new dual-band infrared sensor with multi-element photo receiver and digital signal processing. These innovations will double the target's acquisition distance from the previous generation of the Vympel R-73E, while expanding the search angles of the missile by 30%. The RVV-SD, which is a new evolution of the RVV-AE in service. It offers improved aerodynamics, a higher power transmitter and a more sensitive radar guide head than its predecessor. The missile software has been completely reworked to allow a 35% increase in the maximum range of fire and maneuvering capabilities with load factor under 12g.

The air-to-ground weapons planned for the Su-57 include the Kh-38ME missile line of modular designs that allow the use of different guidance systems and warheads. The Kh-38MLE version comes with laser guidance. The Kh-38MTE with a thermal imager and the Kh-38MAE with an active radar. It is also planned to integrate the Kh-38MKE with satellite guidance.
In terms of bombs, the Su-57 will be able to carry the guided bomb KAB-500SE, which has been tested in Syria, ain1 Su-57 @ if the KAB-250LG-E of 250kg, lighter.

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[Gloire_bb]

Russia is trying to kick start it’s high end military but as of now they just don’t have the cash

Resources and manpower also is dwindling

Chinese are on the other hand have ambition and budget to match Sky is the limit

Problem is, Russia still have the whole necessary inheritance, which it tries to keep up.
China creates whole branches from scratch.

Some -successfully, some - not even touched yet.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Russia is trying to kick start it’s high end military but as of now they just don’t have the cash

Resources and manpower also is dwindling

Chinese are on the other hand have ambition and budget to match Sky is the limit

Actually China's economy and military build-up slowed right along with the US economy, now that the US economy is showing signs of rebounding, no doubt China's economy will see an up-turn as well,,, actually China buying those 24 SU-35s will also help the Russian economy as well, and improve their international standing! So trade benefits everybody, and the USA is more serious about trade deals these days,, its not gonna be the old "Obama Giveaway the Store" kinda deals, and that's encouraging as well.

So I would say that Russia will have more capital to continue development work of the SU-57 as well...

 

[ougoah]

Reality is that Russia is currently on struggle street. There are far more pressing problems to address and pour money into than defence. No one is going to invade or touch Russia regardless of Su-57. Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria happened (last one is opposition to US requests) and no western power did a thing militarily. The US knew the best way to discourage these actions is hurting Russia financially. Russia was looking for a fight and why not, they've almost nothing to lose at that point. 24 su-35 is small change to Russia. China's economy slowing is part of the cycle. Despite the "slowing" it is still doing surprisingly well for a centrally planned economy. They've still more potential if we look at per capita metrics. Chinese are no less hardworking and intelligent than Americans so there's far more room to grow and catch up.

 

[Gloire_bb]

and no western power did a thing militarily.

And it is certainly better to keep them this way.
Peaceful and barking.

And relatively high spending by now is a necessity long overdue, air force waits for 5th gen for two decades by now(1.42 should've made it by mid-late 1990s according to Soviet plans).

It was barely acceptable when only US had it. Now, with F-35 entering service everywhere and J-20 in China, it isn't.
At least main deficiencies of AF capability spectre in 5th gen sir combat have to be solved.
I.e. AWACS/Fighter pair.

 

[ougoah]

Definitely true. The west didn't want to play ball on Russia's court. They forced everyone to play their way. Russia couldn't do a thing about it except pump up the propaganda machine. Not insulting them or anything, it's just how things work around the world. But to say Russia's on the road to recovery already is taking things a step too far. At the moment, it's simply untrue. Likewise for su-35 being anything significant for Russia.

 

[Gloire_bb]

But to say Russia's on the road to recovery already is taking things a step too far.

Technically, in most respects Russia only updates cabilities it already has.
Some new ones are more than offset by, say, one big problem called Navy.