Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[Jura The idiot]

That's why I limit my posts in Naval matters???

this one was good

 

[b787]

Sure, I understand that, but even if all you are able to share is the source, someone else may have some insight, or even recognize the camo pattern and have an idea of which aircraft it is likely to be?? PAK-FA is in flight test and only operates out of a very limited number of Bases at present??? but they are nice pictures.

I do not think you understood, in the original Russian sources, sometimes they appear only as part of the photo albums, sometimes they lack a description, sometimes they do have a very brief one like this one

April 1st 2016 Zhukovsky

However sometimes they do lack a proper description, remember most pictures are fan taken at air shows like MAKS, some are from Russian.planes, and sometimes by professional photographers,.

Sometimes some pictures are rehashed. sometimes they are not

 

[FORBIN]

Sorry ... but this is either some sort of fan-art or a media-representation .. barely anything close to a data-confirmation.

No fan art and good almost all confirmed by others places, why you say it i don' t understand.

 

[b787]

Honestly ... the problem with this tread is that it is not a discussion tread but merely a collection of images, Russian reports of what should, could, must and will be ...

The thread is pretty good, the problem resides not in the thread it self but in the project it self, if you want information you need to see what the maker says this is what they say

PAK FA (T-50)
History
The PAK FA took off for its first flight on January 29, 2010 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. The first flight model of the fighter and a full ground test bed used for the testing of equipment and systems in support of the flight testing program were delivered to the JSC Sukhoi DB flight testing-and-development facility in the Town of Zhukovsky near Moscow on April 8. Upon completion of the required system and component-bed testing, including strength tests on the static airplane, ground testing of the test bed airplane and flight model, flight tests of the airplane under the preliminary testing program started on April 29, 2010.

The second flight model took off for its first flight at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur production site (KnAAZ) on March 3, 2011. After the completion of factory tests, it was included in the preliminary testing program.

The third flight model made its first flight on November 22, 2011. After the completion of a set of ground preparation works and re-equipment with an extended set of on-board equipment, it also entered the preliminary testing program.

The fourth and fifth PAK-FA flight models arrived at Zhukovsky airfield near Moscow on January 17, 2013 and November 20, 2013. The airplanes arrived from the Far East under their own power.

Currently, flight tests are being conducted with 5 flight models, along with ground testing on test beds.
Good stability and handling performance has been achieved at subsonic and supersonic speeds, at low and high altitudes, and at post-stall angles of attack. Avionics tests are in progress. Fight refueling and examination of the airplane’s behavior in different configurations have been successfully completed.
Main flight testing objectives at the current stage are the testing of combat system-operating modes, interfacing with weapons, and the use of weapon

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now critical information the manufacturer says

PAK FA (T-50)
Aircraft specification
Classified.

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There is an official press release

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That basically is the same information given by AUC


Now Rostec gives you some information but most information is classified, so wherever you go the forum sources are limited to the semi official pictures of Russian Planes, a few media press relases from the VVS and Russian ministry of defense.


So in few words there is no information about it beyond pictures and what AUC says

 

[b787]

The engine for the Russian fighter of the 5th generation, also known as the Sukhoi PAK FA (PAK FA), ahead of American engines for fighter aircraft 5th-generation and, in particular, F-119 to F-22 and F-135 F- 35. This korr.TASS said general designer - director of "OKB A.Lyulki." Branch of PJSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO) Yevhen Marchuk.
"We are ahead of the US as engines began to make their later?" - Said general designer.
"Why lay in the engine that has achieved new engine always creates a little beyond existing knowledge It remains to confirm all its characteristics on tests?.", - He stressed.

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[Deino]

Could You please give a proper translation or explain that strange statement ?

How could they be "ahead of American engines for fighter aircraft 5th-generation and, in particular, F-119 to F-22 and F-135 F- 35" if the T50 enters service with an interim eingine and even more since both US are already in service and both types entered service with their planned engine ??

IMO again the typical Russian blahblahblah since nothing else can be said ...

 

[b787]

IMO

Sorry as you said it is your humble opinion, it is your IMO.

I am not to affirm or deny the statement, that is why i do not opine, can you or my prove that is not the case? or can we prove it it is like he says, in order to do it you need to compare the engines and be involve directly in at least one program, so just leave it like that, that is his statement, it can be true it can be false, the value of posting it is to follow the jet program, only that

 

[Air Force Brat]

Could You please give a proper translation or explain that strange statement ?

How could they be "ahead of American engines for fighter aircraft 5th-generation and, in particular, F-119 to F-22 and F-135 F- 35" if the T50 enters service with an interim eingine and even more since both US are already in service and both types entered service with their planned engine ??

IMO again the typical Russian blahblahblah since nothing else can be said ...

No he can't, but he will fill this whole thread with Russian "Krapola" in an attempt to legitimize these vacuous, empty Russian boasts of superiority.

787, please, please, qualify your posts? please, you remind me of another brother that shared these same types of junk and was never wrong, and contrary to your assertions, we know a great deal about the T-50, so attempting to hide behind the word "classified" is rather pathetic.

The T-50, like the F-22, F-35, and even to some extent the J-20 are all "classified"?? but we have volumes of information on systems, powerplants, and accurate performance "estimates" for each of these aircraft on this forum. From many extremely accurate sources with a "track record" of nailing these things, such as the fine old "Air Force Magazine", which is available online, for free???

So yes, those of us who care about accuracy, and want an accurate picture of the real world find these types of lies and mis-information disgraceful! the BRAT

 

[b787]

So yes, those of us who care about accuracy, and want an accurate picture of the real world find these types of lies and mis-information disgraceful! the BRAT

Why do not you do this post the classified information can you get it? no you can not, but you complain and complain and demand and demand, tell me what do you want? both of your claimed the T-50-5 was dead, you have no even a any source to support the supposedly structural troubles, nothing nil zero nada, ah but both of you come and say Russian sources are lying yes, and you what?

 

[b787]

So Deino, can you post any links relating to the T-50 structural issues, I ran upon some one day, and have been unable to track them down since?? as I understand it O1 is unairworthy, and 02? was flying with 01 tail????, anyway if you have some links I would love to understand in more depth what has transpired, just because I am fascinated by these structural issues?

an example of how reliable you are claiming T-5- 01 was unairworthy

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anyone seeing this website sees you are just trolling the thread