Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[Brumby]

From Janes article:



Seriously?! What happened to Janes?

Isn't the article factually correct on the two points i.e. radar and engine? Until there are concrete evidence that the Russians have made advances in these two areas, all we have are Russian promises and that doesn't come with an excellent track record.
By the way, I like the picture. Is it a kitten?

 

[Hyperwarp]

Isn't the article factually correct on the two points i.e. radar and engine? Until there are concrete evidence that the Russians have made advances in these two areas, all we have are Russian promises and that doesn't come with an excellent track record.
By the way, I like the picture. Is it a kitten?

Whether the tech is ready or not doesn't really matter in this case. Tikhomirov NIIP (N035) Irbis-E was designed for the Flankers especially the Su-35. But, I am not sure whether even Su-30 series can be upgraded with N035 without some surgery let alone the T-50.

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is a hybrid mechanical & passive electronically scanned system. That thing won't go inside the T-50 even as a stop-gap measure. From day one the Radar for the T-50 was going to be the Tikhomirov NIIP (N036) Byelka AESA. The author of that article very least should have known that or worded the thing better. Claiming T-50 carries N035 is completely different from claming N036 system (N036-1-01 + N036B-1-01B + N036L-1-01) not being ready. 117S was the engine of the Su-35 from day one. Russians all along claim the interim engine for the T-50 is the 117 or not the 117S.

 

[Brumby]

Whether the tech is ready or not doesn't really matter in this case. Tikhomirov NIIP (N035) Irbis-E was designed for the Flankers especially the Su-35. But, I am not sure whether even Su-30 series can be upgraded with N035 without some surgery let alone the T-50.

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is a hybrid mechanical & passive electronically scanned system. That thing won't go inside the T-50 even as a stop-gap measure. From day one the Radar for the T-50 was going to be the Tikhomirov NIIP (N036) Byelka AESA. The author of that article very least should have known that or worded the thing better. Claiming T-50 carries N035 is completely different from claming N036 system (N036-1-01 + N036B-1-01B + N036L-1-01) not being ready. 117S was the engine of the Su-35 from day one. Russians all along claim the interim engine for the T-50 is the 117 or not the 117S.

You are right. I don't follow Russian programs closely. I am only aware that the N036 radar and Izdeliye 30 engine are not ready but presently the T-50 uses Izdeliye 117 without an S unlike in the SU-35. That begs a question. What radar is the T-50 flying with since the N036 is not ready?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Whether the tech is ready or not doesn't really matter in this case. Tikhomirov NIIP (N035) Irbis-E was designed for the Flankers especially the Su-35. But, I am not sure whether even Su-30 series can be upgraded with N035 without some surgery let alone the T-50.

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is a hybrid mechanical & passive electronically scanned system. That thing won't go inside the T-50 even as a stop-gap measure. From day one the Radar for the T-50 was going to be the Tikhomirov NIIP (N036) Byelka AESA. The author of that article very least should have known that or worded the thing better. Claiming T-50 carries N035 is completely different from claming N036 system (N036-1-01 + N036B-1-01B + N036L-1-01) not being ready. 117S was the engine of the Su-35 from day one. Russians all along claim the interim engine for the T-50 is the 117 or not the 117S.

I am rather certain Master Brumby is right, the T-50 is currently set up as a mirror image of the SU-35 engines and subsystems, that's why nobody else has any stick time, and that's what the Russian's have gone ahead and ordered another 48 SU-35s, even they aren't interested in a pretty airplane, that at present is mirrored by a tried and true Flanker that likely has a much more robust airframe.

That's the main reason that Sukhoi has been so anxious to sell the Chinese 48 Su-35s, in order to raise some capital to build the T-50?? the Indians are getting cold feet, and PAK-FA is behind the eight ball??? just simple deduction, otherwise you couldn't keep the Indians off this bird, they want capability, and they want it now!

 

[Hyperwarp]

I am rather certain Master Brumby is right, the T-50 is currently set up as a mirror image of the SU-35 engines and subsystems, that's why nobody else has any stick time, and that's what the Russian's have gone ahead and ordered another 48 SU-35s, even they aren't interested in a pretty airplane, that at present is mirrored by a tried and true Flanker that likely has a much more robust airframe.

That's the main reason that Sukhoi has been so anxious to sell the Chinese 48 Su-35s, in order to raise some capital to build the T-50?? the Indians are getting cold feet, and PAK-FA is behind the eight ball??? just simple deduction, otherwise you couldn't keep the Indians off this bird, they want capability, and they want it now!

There is no surprise to me about the Su-35 purchase. I am actually surprised they only ordered 48 initially. T-50 is still in prototype stage including the subsystems. The 1st prototype flew in Jan 2010. YF-22 to F-22 took 7 years (1990 - 1997). F-22 Raptor 4001 to USAF IOC took 8 more years (1997 - 2005). Earliest service entry for the PAK-FA T-50 would be 2017 onwards IF ALL GOES WELL. But another hiccup like what happen to prototype 055 and things get pushed back further. And this with an inferior engine (117) compared to F119. The real F-22 competitor will not be ready until after 2020. So I am not at all surprised about RuAF purchasing more Su-35. You don't even need to look at F-22 numbers. Just look at the USN numbers. There are 500 F/A-18E/F/G super-hornets alone .

 

[Jura The idiot]

I don't think it is a case of discrimination. Unfortunately to-date the PAK-FA is long on promises and short on deliveries. Even the Indians are complaining the PAK-FA lacks fifth gen stuff.

It is obviously a jibe from LM as mentioned in the article but other than LO features, what exactly does the PAK-FA currently have that are not just promissory notes?

LOL Brumby at this point we should know that if you had been PAKFA project supervisor, you would have axed it

 

[Jura The idiot]

LOL and now something for
b787
PAKFA recently demonstrated the rate of climb of 384 meters per second:

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(for AFB: 859 miles per hour

 

[Hyperwarp]

Another one (055) from the same recent sequence:

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[Air Force Brat]

LOL and now something for
b787
PAKFA recently demonstrated the rate of climb of 384 meters per second:

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(for AFB: 859 miles per hour

YOU mean 900 miles and hour straight up??? Climb rate as advertised would be 65,000 FPM, you would have to accelerate to about 500knts or so and pull the stick back, which would be categorized as a "zoom climb"?

We hade the "streak eagle" a stripped down F-15 which posted some amazing numbers many years ago? and the F-22 will easily outclimb the F-15. So those numbers are very outstanding, but may not mean much in the grand scheme of things, you would be more interested in the climb rate with mission fuel and weapons for at least a light load-out A2A mission?

I believe the Flanker later bested the "streak eagle", so no doubt PAK-FA will climb, it looks much lighter than the Flanker with the same power-plant.

 

[Deino]

LOL and now something for
b787
PAKFA recently demonstrated the rate of climb of 384 meters per second:

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(for AFB: 859 miles per hour

To admit ... I would be very careful !

Could You please give an official link !

As far as I Know it was first posed here:

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, which is simply IMO an obscure facebook account, that was later reloaded at the official UAC site:

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As long as not officially confirmed I would take it with a rock of salt.