Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

[b787]

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and thank you very much for posting the link, it does affirm the real issue, and that the ejection is only an issue for "very light" pilots, but it does cause fatigue every day, so like taxiya said the helmets are heavy, but fighter pilots wear helmets to provide "protection" from impacts as well as wind blast in the event the canopy is damaged.

I do not say i do not agree, but i said the PAKFA`s helmet is not different to a modern HMS and HMD system, you said it was heavier, but the one KRET has is lighter than the one F-35 has, is it better? well that i do not know, but you can not judge upon a nationalistic view, KRET will consider the trend and technology nowadays exist, is it better? well that i do not know, but they are designing the helmet upon the current technologies and they will try to do something similar, so the technology will be similar only that.

Russia`s electronic industry is around 8-6 years behind the best of the USA has

 

[Air Force Brat]

I do not say i do not agree, but i said the PAKFA`s helmet is not different to a modern HMS and HMD system, you said it was heavier, but the one KRET has is lighter than the one F-35 has, is it better? well that i do not know, but you can not judge upon a nationalistic view, KRET will consider the trend and technology nowadays exist, is it better? well that i do not know, but they are designing the helmet upon the current technologies and they will try to do something similar, so the technology will be similar only that.

Russia`s electronic industry is around 8-6 years behind the best of the USA has

I believe the KRET helmet is primarily a rotor-craft helmet, it does not seem to provide the same level of protection, probably not the same level of situational awareness?

 

[plawolf]

Regardless F-35 or PAKFA, their helmets seem to be pretty heavy. Their addition to a traditional helmet is virtual HUD as I understand. There are many civilian appliance like google glass essensially doing the same thing (virtual HUD) although much less capable. I found this video

about Holographic Eye Adaptive Display (HEAD) from SBG lab. It is claimed to be able to deliver HD (1920x1080?) see through image in a package in the form of normal eye glasses. From the video, it seems to be something like 100 to 200 grams. Isn't it a better choice?

If the traditional helmet is close to 2kg, a 200 grams additional wouldn't make much difference, but then nobody can blame the new helmet to be too heavy without blaming the traditional helmet being already heavy.

If the traditional helment is far below 2kg, then a 200 grams addon would be a much better solution.

What do you think?

You have to be very careful about applying civilian spec tech to military applications.

Civilian tech is not designed to anywhere like the tolerances military grade gear need to be at. Especially for fighter jet applications.

What works fine at 1G may well not like it so much if subjected to 9Gs.

Then you have all the additional shielding requirements to survive and operate in heavy EM environments, as well as having to be rugged enough to survive bangs and knocks that will probably total civilian gear.

All that reinforcement and shielding comes at a cost in weight.

 

[b787]

I believe the KRET helmet is primarily a rotor-craft helmet, it does not seem to provide the same level of protection, probably not the same level of situational awareness?

However not everyone was convinced Elbrus-4C was up to scratch with its U.S. made competitors. Sergei Viljanen, editor in chief of the Russian-language PCWorld website, told Kommersant the design was inferior to foreign chips.

“Russian processor technology is still about five years behind the west,” Viljanen said. “Intel's chips come with a 14 nanometer design, whereas the Elbrus is 65 nanometers, which means they have a much higher energy consumption.”

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If you see that information you can see the Russian technology is not the most advanced but it is not primitive neither behind by decades, you can expect PAKFA`s technology at the most being marginally inferior it it is in terms of electronics hardware.

 

[aksha]

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Russia has made a new offer on the delivery of Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) fighter jets to India under the joint fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) initiative.
Under the new offer, India will have to pay $3.7 billion, instead of $6 billion, for the technological know-how and three prototypes of PAK FA fighters. The proposal awaits a decision from Prime Minister Narendra Modi, when he meets Russian President Vladimir Putin for the annual India-Russia summit this week.
India and Russia had signed an inter-governmental agreement to co-develop and co-produce the FGFA in 2007, which was followed by the $295 million preliminary design contract in December 2010. Modelled on the successful Brahmos missile project, the project involves Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau and the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The overall FGFA project cost for making 127 single-seat fighters in India has been estimated to be around $30 billion.
The final design contract, under which both sides were to contribute an initial $6 billion each for prototype development and production, has not been signed between India and Russia so far. Meanwhile, Russia has gone ahead with the development of PAK FA and claims that it will enter service with the Russian Air Force in 2016, and enter serial production in 2017.
“Now that they already have the fighter, the Russians have made a revised offer to us. For $3.7 billion, they will give us all the technological know-how of making the fighter. We will also get three prototypes from them in that amount,” a senior defence ministry official said.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I do not say i do not agree, but i said the PAKFA`s helmet is not different to a modern HMS and HMD system, you said it was heavier, but the one KRET has is lighter than the one F-35 has, is it better? well that i do not know, but you can not judge upon a nationalistic view, KRET will consider the trend and technology nowadays exist, is it better? well that i do not know, but they are designing the helmet upon the current technologies and they will try to do something similar, so the technology will be similar only that.

Russia`s electronic industry is around 8-6 years behind the best of the USA has

I believe the KRET helmet is primarily a rotor-craft helmet, it does not seem to provide the same level of protection, probably not the same level of situational awareness?

You have to be very careful about applying civilian spec tech to military applications.

Civilian tech is not designed to anywhere like the tolerances military grade gear need to be at. Especially for fighter jet applications.

What works fine at 1G may well not like it so much if subjected to 9Gs.

very true, I do believe they will be able to lighten and reduce the bulk of the helmet as this technology matures, as it is, they are still working it to smooth the kinks, like any other out of this world technology, it takes lots of time, money, and hard work.

Then you have all the additional shielding requirements to survive and operate in heavy EM environments, as well as having to be rugged enough to survive bangs and knocks that will probably total civilian gear.

All that reinforcement and shielding comes at a cost in weight.

 

[b787]

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I believe the KRET helmet is primarily a rotor-craft helmet, it does not seem to provide the same level of protection, probably not the same level of situational awareness?

i do not think it is for helicopters
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this is i think the PAKFA`s helmet

if this is the PAKFA` HMD. then it is less than 2 kg

If it is better i do not know, but it says that is for bad weather, night vision and a HMS

 

[Air Force Brat]

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I should be more happy about this as I predicted a year or so ago that India would purchase the -2 PAK-FA, and that Russia would aggressively market PAK-FA to India, in exchange for "cashola"? This is more in line, but still not a "sweetheart deal", in fact where I India, I would almost prefer to fly PAK-FA, and buy the initial 12 to 24 aircraft from Russia, while partnering with them to help set up tooling and production facilities in India? Honestly, no Indian pilot has flown PAK-FA and to me that is disappointing and raises lots of questions?

There is no doubt that Russia needs the money to complete their own initial 12 PAK-FA, and here is the rub. India has to decide and negotiate terms with the Russians? Now that Russia seems to have placed their best hand on the table?? India no doubt wonders if the gamble is worth the risk to have a hot-rod, or if maybe they shouldn't

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i do not think it is for helicopters
see

this is i think the PAKFA`s helmet

if this is the PAKFA` HMD. then it is less than 2 kg

If it is better i do not know, but it says that is for bad weather, night vision and a HMS

Its not better, it is equipped with infra-red for bad weather, night vision and a sight, it is marketed as a better helmet for the black shark which is on the bottom right of the advertisement. In no way, shape, or form does it appear to be a fixed wing HMS in the realm of the F-35 helmet??? IMHO, but hey I've been wrong before? LOL

 

[b787]

Its not better, it is equipped with infra-red for bad weather, night vision and a sight, it is marketed as a better helmet for the black shark which is on the bottom right of the advertisement. In no way, shape, or form does it appear to be a fixed wing HMS in the realm of the F-35 helmet??? IMHO, but hey I've been wrong before? LOL

you`ve been wrong, i know, but in this case, i will be honest, the Russian article does not have picture captions and only mentions the information about the Kret`s helmet i just have said.

you can insist it is for the Ka-52, but i posted you a picture of a helmet for the Ka-52, if it is or not, i am not sure at this moment, if it is better or worse, well i do not know.
in Russian it only says Helmet mounted system, only that

Any way merry Christmass

 

[b787]

artistic rendition

PAKFA helmet

Su-30MKI helmet

Another HMS designed by Arsenal