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Jeff Head · Mar 27, 2015

Ultra said:
Sorry Jeff, but I must ask....why would it impact the indian plans? I thought India is not the one being sanction.
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India is not being sanctioned.

But since Russia is, and since the economics are making it so they cannot build as many aircraft...then the Indians will also be impacted.

The PAFA will be the T-50 and is the Russian aircraft. Apparently the Indians may get some PAKFA (T-50s) in the run up to the actual Indian aircraft, the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (

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). But that will be later in any case.

A couple of things are certain...and I believe you can take it to the bank.

If the aircraft that is to be the test bed and foundation for the FGFA is delayed, then the FGFA will be delayed.

If the Indians want some PAKFAs themselves, which is the Russian aircraft, then the Russians getting fewer will almost assuredly mean that the Indians will also get fewer.

That is my meaning.

b787 · Mar 27, 2015

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That ain't no stealth aircraft (yes I'm using a double negative).

In my opinion, they will need now the Indian commitment even more, thus i do not think the Indians will be affected, for two reasons first PAKFA technically speaking is ready for mass production, it is the Russian economy who can not afford it now due to the uncertainty of the oil price, thus they will build fewer or at least commit to a contract for fewer aircraft with the Russian air force in the meantime.

But they will still receive Su-35s and Su-30MS.

India will receive their jets simply because PAKFA is going the Su-30MKI pathway as at this moment, Russia is focusing in cheaper tactical systems such as Su-35 and Su-30MS and strategic systems to ward off any foreign attack, so like in the 1990s we might see the next 3 years that Russia focus on ICBMs and SLBMs and SAMs while cheaper aircraft are built such as Su-30MS and Su-35S
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The question always will be can F-22 avoid the S-400s and S-500s?

b787 · Mar 27, 2015

Jeff Head said:
India is not being sanctioned.

But since Russia is, and since the economics are making it so they cannot build as many aircraft...then the Indians will also be impacted.

The PAFA will be the T-50 and is the Russian aircraft. Apparently the Indians may get some PAKFA (T-50s) in the run up to the actual Indian aircraft, the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (
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). But that will be later in any case.

A couple of things are certain...and I believe you can take it to the bank.

If the aircraft that is to be the test bed and foundation for the FGFA is delayed, then the FGFA will be delayed.

If the Indians want some PAKFAs themselves, which is the Russian aircraft, then the Russians getting fewer will almost assuredly mean that the Indians will also get fewer.

That is my meaning.

PAKFA is ready technically Speaking, the problem is Russia is not in a hurry, and they are not in a hurry because regardless of PAKFA, ICBMs are the real deal, plus the one million question will be can F-35 and F-22 avoid S-400s and S-500s? if they Russians think they can not then you are not in a hurry to build it, specially when the orders for Su-30s and Su-35 still will be fulfilled, well that is my point of view, but the question always will be can F-22 and F-35 avoid the S-500?

Jeff Head · Mar 27, 2015

b787 said:
PAKFA is ready technically Speaking, the problem is Russia is not in a hurry, and they are not in a hurry because regardless of PAKFA...

Well, if the PAKFA was already completely "ready" they would be building production aircraft now.

Also...the Russians are going to be monumentally involved with any initial aircraft built for India, and at first, would be building the PAKFAs for India.

If they are impeded from this, then India will be impacted.

Time will tell.

b787 · Mar 27, 2015

Jeff Head said:
Well, if the PAKFA was already completely "ready" they would be building production aircraft now.

Also...the Russians are going to be monumentally involved with any initial aircraft built for India, and at first, would be building the PAKFAs for India.

If they are impeded from this, then India will be impacted.

Time will tell.

They are building PAKFAs already, the jet is ready for mass production, they simply have a hiatus for larger numbers since Russia at this moment has some economic problems and is not smart to commit all the money into a tactical system when they need to focus in strategic systems, but the orders for Su-30 and Su-35 are still on.

But like you said time will tell

Ultra · Mar 27, 2015

Jeff Head said:
India is not being sanctioned.

But since Russia is, and since the economics are making it so they cannot build as many aircraft...then the Indians will also be impacted.

The PAFA will be the T-50 and is the Russian aircraft. Apparently the Indians may get some PAKFA (T-50s) in the run up to the actual Indian aircraft, the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (
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). But that will be later in any case.

A couple of things are certain...and I believe you can take it to the bank.

If the aircraft that is to be the test bed and foundation for the FGFA is delayed, then the FGFA will be delayed.

If the Indians want some PAKFAs themselves, which is the Russian aircraft, then the Russians getting fewer will almost assuredly mean that the Indians will also get fewer.

That is my meaning.

But isn't their co-development agreement also about CO-PRODUCTION?
Meaning, the Indians will manufacture the aircraft themselves - most likely by the HAL - Hindustan Aeronautics who manufactured locally (under license) the 220

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Ultra · Mar 27, 2015

b787 said:
but the question always will be can F-22 and F-35 avoid the S-500?

No airforce in the world would be foolish enough to believe ground-based air defense system is good enough against the threats from air. SAM sites are usually fixed at certain location, even mobile ones; especially in today's world where you can monitor the flight path in realtime to spot any SAMs that's moving into position.

What it all mean is that the the F-22s and F-35s will be flying AROUND THE SAMS (which is now standard operation for stealth aircrafts - one of the pillar of steath is pre-planning the route to avoid SAMS as much as possible) to avoid being shot down. Last not the least when they fly in low altitude in "terrain following mode" it would be extremely difficult for even S-500 to detect them until it is too late. What that mean is you still need eyes in the sky.

So no, I think Russians wants to build T-50 (PAK FA) as much as they can afford, but it will compliment the lower tech 4th generation ++ fighters in small numbers only. So in case F-22/F-35 start flying into Russian air space they will have to contend with squadrons of Su-35s which keeps them busy with few T-50 acting like an invisible assassins dishing out the coup de grace.

Dizasta1 · Mar 28, 2015

b787 said:
PAKFA is ready technically Speaking, the problem is Russia is not in a hurry, and they are not in a hurry because regardless of PAKFA, ICBMs are the real deal, plus the one million question will be can F-35 and F-22 avoid S-400s and S-500s? if they Russians think they can not then you are not in a hurry to build it, specially when the orders for Su-30s and Su-35 still will be fulfilled, well that is my point of view, but the question always will be can F-22 and F-35 avoid the S-500?

In warfare, strategies and tactics applied, are much more complexed and change at rapid pace. In actual strategies, there are proven examples of air-powers over coming ADS.

There is a case where one of Israel's tactics to defeat SAMs, applied or in theory, was to send in decoy drones which triggered the adversary's Air-Defense Radars to light-up. Meanwhile, Israeli fighter-jets were relayed the locations enemy radars by the decoy-drones. The result; while the SAMs took out the drones, Israeli fighter-jets took out the SAMs.

Today, SEAD/DEAD tactics have evolved exponentially. Where advance weapons and tactics are being introduced, which will change compel a change in the way Air Defense Systems are designed.

Here is an example of it:

b787 · Mar 28, 2015

Ultra said:
No airforce in the world would be foolish enough to believe ground-based air defense system is good enough against the threats from air.
What it all mean is that the the F-22s and F-35s will be flying AROUND THE SAMS (which is now standard operation for stealth aircrafts -.

Those tactics are old and obsolete, modern SAMs use low frequency EM waves, shaping does not work for those frequencies

At lower frequencies, we encounter the opposite problem—the shaping we rely on to cut RCS in the microwave region becomes more and more indistinct as the wavelength starts to approach the dimensions of the target. (For reference, the length of an F/A-18C is about 17 meters.) It’s like the case of light and dust particles—the complexities of the particle’s shape make no difference because its size is close to a wavelength of light. Like dust particles dancing in a shaft of sunlight, when viewed at low frequencies targets tend to scatter radar energy in all directions regardless of shape. 5 ow frequencies are a problem also for RAM and RAS. The effect of radar absorbers is affected by their thickness relative to the wavelength—one quarter of the wavelength is best. As the wavelength reaches a foot or more, radar absorbers become impractical for most targets. The net effect is that at very low frequencies, the RCS of normal stealthy targets tends to approach that of non-stealthy targets of similar physical size—close to the physical area of the target. This is called resonant scattering because the wave is in resonance with the target, leading to scattering of radiation in a broad fan. If the radar’s wavelength is actually large relative to the target (as can happen with very small UAVs illuminated by the lowest frequency radars) it is found that RCS drops off sharply as wavelength increases further. This is the case of Rayleigh scattering.

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Resonance phonomena

The physics of radar scattering depend to a large extent on the size of the radar wavelength vs the physical size of the target. In the Raleigh scattering regime, the wavelength is similar or greater in magnitude to the physical size of the target, and the magnitude of the reflection is essentially proportional to the physical size of the target. As the wavelength is reduced, the resonant region is entered, where the wavelength is comparable in size to key shaping features on the target, and the magnitude of the reflection fluctuates strongly with wavelength and aspect. Finally, in the optical scattering regime, target shaping can be used to precisely control the magnitude and direction of reflections. The high effectiveness of stealth designs against decimetric and centimetric band radars reflects the reality that for most aircraft sizes, these wavelengths are a tenth to a hundredth of the size of key shaping features (Author).
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The new Nebo-M 3-D radar system features a programmable multi-band design. The complex includes central data fusion and command post module as well as three radars, all deployed on separate high-mobility 8 x 8 24-ton vehicles. According to Aviatioweek, radars feed data to the command post using high-speed narrow-beam digital data links in the microwave band.

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VHF AESA technology has entered production as part of the 55Zh6M Nebo-M multiband radar complex, which passed State tests in 2011 and is in production for Russian air defense forces against a 100-system order. The Nebo-M includes three truck-mounted radar systems, all of them -AESAs: the VHF RLM-M, the RLM-D in L-band (UHF) and the S/X-band RLM-S. (Russian documentation describes them as metric, decimetric and centimetric—that is, each differs from the next by an order of magnitude in frequency.) Each of the radars is equipped with the Orientir location system, comprising three Glonass satellite navigation receivers on a fixed frame, and they are connected via wireless or cable datalink to a ground control vehicle

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b787 · Mar 28, 2015

Dizasta1 said:
In warfare, strategies and tactics applied, are much more complexed and change at rapid pace. In actual strategies, there are proven examples of air-powers over coming ADS.

There is a case where one of Israel's tactics to defeat SAMs, applied or in theory, was to send in decoy drones which triggered the adversary's Air-Defense Radars to light-up. Meanwhile, Israeli fighter-jets were relayed the locations enemy radars by the decoy-drones. The result; while the SAMs took out the drones, Israeli fighter-jets took out the SAMs.

Today, SEAD/DEAD tactics have evolved exponentially. Where advance weapons and tactics are being introduced, which will change compel a change in the way Air Defense Systems are designed.

Russia ha deployed Nebo M and S-400

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