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"If (...) China manage to field an air breathing glider, combining the best of both types, that would indeed be a high end weapon that would extent the range even further but current technologies appear to suggest such a thing is still far from achievable (...)

So we have Hypersonic Glider Cruise Missile (HGCM) >> HGV > HCM"

(ougoah)

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In theory yes. The technology used in a cruise missile can further be developed into a recon or bomber platform with further development.
For that you need longer lasting and higher power engines than in the cruise missile.

xmupzx said:

Cute orca said Zircon was "trash" that is completely incomparable to YJ19

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Well both Zircon and YJ-19 are the only in service ship launched hypersonic cruise missiles.

Yes YJ-19 appears to be a more modern missile and made later so we'd expect them to be incomparable.

Zircon though I'm curious if it indeed looks as the Ukrainians have drawn it ie a Hyfly like missile. Artist impressions of all these HCMs are like the X-43A. Perhaps orca think (or has access to information) that shows Zircon to be no more than Hyfly in tech level. My gut feel is Hyfly, Zircon, Linyun 1 are all early ramjet - scramjet "dual purpose" engine powered basic tube missiles. Strapping a working scramjet to a missile and calling it a day. Barely any decent turning capability and engine optimised to keep working since those are early day scramjets.

YJ-19's engine is different and the missile is designed to turn well enough. After all, YJ-19 is an anti-ship missile designed to hit moving targets. Zircon is a land attack missile designed to hit static targets. We know nothing of indicative claimed speed of YJ-19 at the moment. Zircon is claimed to be around mach 8 at some point of flight.

Once again, someone in the West (between Moscow and San Francisco) imagines something and fantasizes and brags with pretty artistic drawings, and meanwhile ... Chinese scientists and engineers are two generations ahead ... in the real world.

gelgoog said:

It depends on what sector you are talking about. Russia is ahead in hypersonics and nuclear power. But they are behind, a lot behind, in other sectors.
Russia is behind in electronics, piston engines, EVs, etc.

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I don't think it's true Russia is ahead in hypersonics or nuclear power at all.

There's literally zero evidence for hypersonics whereas China has fielded at least their second generation of hypersonic gliders and at least first gen of cruise missile, Russia is at gen 1 for glider and gen 1 for cruise and I think this is giving them a bit more credit.

Nuclear power im less familiar with but China has got 3 different experimental reactor types running concurrently.

On renewables, computing, chips, cars, energy storage, digital infrastructure, cloud computing, shipbuilding, space. Yeah Russia is either far behind or getting lapped with over 1 generation gap.

ougoah said:

I don't think it's true Russia is ahead in hypersonics or nuclear power at all.

There's literally zero evidence for hypersonics whereas China has fielded at least their second generation of hypersonic gliders and at least first gen of cruise missile, Russia is at gen 1 for glider and gen 1 for cruise and I think this is giving them a bit more credit.

Nuclear power im less familiar with but China has got 3 different experimental reactor types running concurrently.

On renewables, computing, chips, cars, energy storage, digital infrastructure, cloud computing, shipbuilding, space. Yeah Russia is either far behind or getting lapped with over 1 generation gap.

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Russia is traditionally very good with nuclear technology especially naval and miniature ones. Poisedon torpedo has a gas cooled mini reactor which if true would be very advanced and be first of it's kind, also there's that nuclear powered cruise missile. China also sourced RTGs from Russia for various space missions like Yutu rovers.

Just think about it. The nuclear power source in the Burevestnik cruise missile is something no one else has in service.
Russia also has the most advanced fast reactor program currently. BN-1200M and BREST-OD-300 reactors currently under construction have no equivalents.

Hypersonic Cruise Missile

Fiction: Zircon ... The Hindu Zircon

Reality: "early ramjet - scramjet "dual purpose" engine powered basic tube missiles" (ougoah)

Seems like the Borei class is alot smaller than public data would suggest. Satellite measurements shows the sub is actually only ~156m long while public data says its 170m long. Actual displacement may only be 16000-18000t.

Sourced from Cute Orca's weibo

W20 said:

Once again, someone in the West (between Moscow and San Francisco) imagines something and fantasizes and brags with pretty artistic drawings, and meanwhile ... Chinese scientists and engineers are two generations ahead ... in the real world.

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This point is so important, understated, underappreciated and far too often missed.

This point is everything. They really don't get it and never will. They dream up and sketch and plan and fantasize and sometimes build prelim barely models, sometimes concept studies that work to show 1 out of 100 engineering goals. China works at it in silence and secrecy until it's at least nearly complete. This goes for everything from next generation nuclear power stations to EVs to missiles.