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Soldier30

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The Russian Defense Ministry has published a promo for the upgraded A-50U airborne early warning and control aircraft. The A-50U aircraft was developed in 2011 on the basis of the A-50 aircraft. Most of the destroyed Ukrainian fighters were found using A-50U aircraft. The A-50U aircraft differs from previous modifications by a new radio-technical complex with improved parameters. The aircraft has an airborne defense complex, which includes active and passive radio countermeasures, as well as infrared jamming systems. The aircraft had a reduced mass of equipment, due to this, the fuel supply was increased. The price of the aircraft is 330 million dollars. Russia currently has 7 aircraft in service.

 

Stealthflanker

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The Russian Defense Ministry has published a promo for the upgraded A-50U airborne early warning and control aircraft. The A-50U aircraft was developed in 2011 on the basis of the A-50 aircraft. Most of the destroyed Ukrainian fighters were found using A-50U aircraft. The A-50U aircraft differs from previous modifications by a new radio-technical complex with improved parameters. The aircraft has an airborne defense complex, which includes active and passive radio countermeasures, as well as infrared jamming systems. The aircraft had a reduced mass of equipment, due to this, the fuel supply was increased. The price of the aircraft is 330 million dollars. Russia currently has 7 aircraft in service.

There should be many more of this... saw Rows of A-50's in Russian AEW base in google Earth and sentinel browser.. probably old "A"'s waiting for conversion or simply unserviceable.

The A-50U is more respectable than the baseline but clearly A-100 should be the new standard. At least in my estimates it will give a huge jump in Russian AEW capability. The following are some Range graph for AEW's in S-band... there should be ZDK-03 there but i haven't included it yet.

Netra-Comparisons.png
 

pmc

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A-100 is very ambitious project. Not only there pods on wings like fighter but sensors antenna on the body all the way on tail and under more than any other AWACS.
Cockpit need special protection due enhanced power from radiation. Engines are specially designed for this project. i will not be surprized it has 20 tons version of engine.
 

Rast

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War thunder forums continue to frustrate those in government who try to keep weapon specs secret. Someone has apparently leaked Russian documents relating to the Su-57's RCS on the war thunder forums. Numbers are mentioned but I'm not going to post them.

Apparently the Su-57 is closer to the RCS of western clean Gen 4.5 aircraft and it should be mentioned that the US has developed a way to give F-16s close to the same RCS as the Su-57 without major structural redesign.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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War thunder forums continue to frustrate those in government who try to keep weapon specs secret. Someone has apparently leaked Russian documents relating to the Su-57's RCS on the war thunder forums. Numbers are mentioned but I'm not going to post them.

Apparently the Su-57 is closer to the RCS of western clean Gen 4.5 aircraft and it should be mentioned that the US has developed a way to give F-16s close to the same RCS as the Su-57 without major structural redesign.
I mean should we not expect that? It looks with your eyes like a Su-35 with internal bays.

Also, clean 4.5 is still a pretty big improvement over regular 4.5 since the extra scattering surfaces and constructive interference from having external weapons hugely increases RCS.
 

Stealthflanker

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And the value was just plain "0.1-1 sqm" WITHOUT any fkin other indicator as Frequency etc... Which made me frustrated too because RCS data is ONLY useful with frequency and other measure of merit added (Polarization) etc...

and what is the difference in that value other than Su-57 patent published like last year ?

But well it wont stop people from plainly like a dumb trying to compare the data with no less useless claim on Western fighter RCS.
When do people will understand that there are statistics and other factor involved.

This is example of RCS Raw data from my ANSYS. This is for an aircraft in differing conditions (with pylon) and no Pylon for 12 frequencies and angle... does that look a single value to you guys ? Nobody wondering why RCS value is only presented with vague idea of -single- or just simple intervals without any other information.


Raw3.png

And then what i did to condense it.. is to make Median and then Graphics. which ended up something like this :

Median Frontal RCS comparisons.png

as you can see they are not always linear. That's median, when you use Average the value could be different.
 

Rast

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I mean should we not expect that? It looks with your eyes like a Su-35 with internal bays.

Also, clean 4.5 is still a pretty big improvement over regular 4.5 since the extra scattering surfaces and constructive interference from having external weapons hugely increases RCS.

Even if it was expected, more facts help stop fanboying and desperate coping over which thing is the best thing in the world posting. I find those very irritating and not productive. The numbers were an average so I only mentioned similar vague figures of known 4.5 gen fighters to try and avoid getting drawn into one of those. The other reason is I think a mod announced a new rule here when someone leaked the Chinese APFSDS spec sheet on the war thunder forums.

Didn't the recent Chinese paper on the SU-57 by the J-20 designers say pretty much the same thing?

Do you mean the paper analyzing the proposed single engine Su-75 that was recently posted by kurutoga?

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HighGround

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Even if it was expected, more facts help stop fanboying and desperate coping over which thing is the best thing in the world posting. I find those very irritating and not productive. The numbers were an average so I only mentioned similar vague figures of known 4.5 gen fighters to try and avoid getting drawn into one of those. The other reason is I think a mod announced a new rule here when someone leaked the Chinese APFSDS spec sheet on the war thunder forums.



Do you mean the paper analyzing the proposed single engine Su-75 that was recently posted by kurutoga?

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Like I thought, the Su-75 is very underwhelming.

Questionable if it's even worth building really.
 
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