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ZeEa5KPul said:

Does failure really count as experience?

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where is failure.
Russia has fully integrated Belarus. now even MIG-31K can operate there round the clock.
Russia gained tremendous experience in operating various systems at much higher tempo than any one else. where else will you see 450 attack choppers in a battlefield with external fuel tanks or battlefield assessment of thousands of cruise missiles from Kh-32 to Kinzal.
there is also indirect benefit to Russian civil aviation like exposing Sukhoi Superjet to hot weather operation of Mideast. this will help in improving other commercial aircraft.
the rest is easy explain.

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The IDF and the political echelon failed to delve into the question of how Israel will hold on indefinitely to the expansive territories it occupied in 1967. The test of both the lack of understanding and the ability to retain occupied territories was the Yom Kippur War. However, the failure in the IDF and in the government to consider the question did not begin the day after the Six Day War. Its roots can be seen in the plans for holding onto Sinai (one of the objectives of 1956), and continued in the six years between 1967 and 1973, Israel’s 18-year presence in Lebanon, and its occupation of the West Bank since 1967 to this day.

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Poseidon supposedly suffered a failure:


Some Russian sat launches:

That article by The Times is pretty stupid. They claim the submarine left port and came back and because they did not detect a launch of Poseidon the launch must have failed in their account. What makes them assume the Belgorod even tried to do a Poseidon launch? If I was Russia and I was going to test Poseidon I would do it in the Arctic outside the West's snooping. Not go towards NATO waters close to Norway and do a test. For all we know they might have just been testing if the Belgorod was stealthy enough to operate in NATO controlled waters and not have tried to do any launch. And from what we know NATO did lose track of it after it left port, so it is.

seems until now drones were neither effective nor mass produced. the words mass production and effectiveness need context.

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The map of the whole Ukraine was digitized for the training of kamikaze drone operators

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I am posting here rather than in the Ukraine War thread as I do not wish my post to be deleted as off-topic.

plawolf said:

I think Putin’s plans and aims are more longer term. [snip]
The level of national humiliation Russia will feel at having to stop short will hopefully give them the drive to do a proper military modernisation.

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If Russia could not modernise and reform its forces during a 20 year period characterised by a stable population courtesy of high immigration, moderate economic growth, relatively open access to western technologies, and a government predisposed to think in terms of national security and embark on any number of military reforms, then what hope does it have in the years and decades ahead, which will be characterised by economic and technological isolation, a falling population, and anemic economic growth? The Gods of history are cruel and there is little reason to think that they will permit Moscow to re-roll the dice. This affair could well mark the beginning of a permanent and irrevocable diminution in Russia's status in the world. History is littered with empires and powers long extinguished or relegated to mere shadows of their former glory, and it is hubris to imagine that Russia is immune to such a fate. As observers our task is to assess things as objectively and dispassionately as we are able, and everything I see points in one direction: decline.

Lethe said:

which will be characterised by economic and technological isolation

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Russia has access to China's technology and markets, so isolation from the West isn't what it used to be. Furthermore, Europe will keep buying Russian energy no matter what it says, it has no other choice.

Lethe said:

a falling population

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Its enemies' population is falling faster.

Lethe said:

and anemic economic growth?

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A) The whole access to China thing. B) Its enemies' economies are also anemic.

Lethe said:

History is littered with empires and powers long extinguished or relegated to mere shadows of their former glory, and it is hubris to imagine that Russia is immune to such a fate.

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True, and it is also hubris to imagine that the West is immune to such a fate.

ZeEa5KPul said:

Russia has access to China's technology and markets, so isolation from the West isn't what it used to be. Furthermore, Europe will keep buying Russian energy no matter what it says, it has no other choice.

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It is far from clear that it would be in China's interests to support Russia to the extent that would be required to seriously deflect its decline. Indeed it is likely that Russia will become increasingly dependent upon China as it grows weaker, and that the relationship will ultimately benefit Beijing far more than it does Moscow. I don't see the strategic imperative for China to move much beyond "win-win interactions" to actively bankrolling the Russian state, and if Beijing ever were to commit to that level of support, akin to the kind of support the United States provided to Japan in the wake of WW2, that support would itself likely come at a cost to the sovereignty of Russia and its credentials as a great power, just as it has for Japan. The Soviet Union was very generous towards the PRC back when it dreamed of maintaining the latter under its thumb, and that generosity evaporated as it became clear that the PRC would not accept the role the Soviet Union envisioned for it.

ZeEa5KPul said:

Its enemies' population is falling faster.

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This is not true. Russia's enemies are the United States and NATO, both of which are continuing to grow or will at least sustain their populations via immigration. The demographics of Ukraine or certain other Eastern European nations might be worse than those of Russia, but this is unimportant.

ZeEa5KPul said:

True, and it is also hubris to imagine that the West is immune to such a fate.

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This goes without saying. France, the UK, and Germany have all been greatly diminished over the past century and rendered subservient to a greater power in the United States, as Spain was before them. Prussia was literally extinguished and its homeland Konigsberg is now occupied by Russians.

Lethe said:

It is far from clear that it would be in China's interests to support to Russia to the extent that would be required to seriously deflect its decline. Indeed it is likely that Russia will become increasingly dependent upon China as it grows weaker, and that the relationship will ultimately benefit Beijing far more than it does Moscow. I don't see the strategic imperative for China to move much beyond "win-win interactions" to actively bankrolling the Russian state, and if Beijing ever were to commit to that level of support, i.e. akin to the kind of support the United States provided to Japan in the wake of WW2, that support would itself likely come at a cost to the sovereignty of Russia and its credentials as a great power, just as it has for Japan. The Soviet Union was very generous towards the PRC back when it dreamed of maintaining the latter under its thumb, and that generosity evaporated as it became clear that the PRC would not accept the role the Soviet Union envisioned for it.

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Russia wouldn't require anywhere near the support Europe or Japan got after WWII even if it's driven out of Ukraine and Crimea. It's an important point that I have to raise yet again: Russia's homeland is untouched by this war while Japan was firebombed and nuked to ashes.

The only support China need provide is regular trade with Russia. Some semiconductor fabrication equipment here, a few advanced machine tools there and Russia will be A-OK. In return, China gets secure access to the resources it needs. If anything good comes out of this war, it's that Russia will have to rebuild its military with Chinese technology no matter the outcome of the war.

Lethe said:

This is not true. Russia's enemies are the United States and NATO, both of which are continuing to grow or will at least sustain their populations via immigration. The demographics of Ukraine or certain other Eastern European nations might be worse than those of Russia, but this is unimportant.

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Russia's ambitions don't stretch beyond Ukraine. Russia has accepted that it's not the USSR and cannot challenge NATO directly. NATO will also never confront Russia directly or touch its homeland because of its nuclear weapons. As for immigration, that comes with its own social problems. One might think things have ebbed since the far right got its clock cleaned in the American midterms, but that's a temporary reprieve. One day the correct combination of charisma, competence, honesty, and fascism will emerge in an American politician.

ZeEa5KPul said:

Russia wouldn't require anywhere near the support Europe or Japan got after WWII even if it's driven out of Ukraine and Crimea. It's an important point that I have to raise yet again: Russia's homeland is untouched by this war while Japan was firebombed and nuked to ashes.

The only support China need provide is regular trade with Russia. Some semiconductor fabrication equipment here, a few advanced machine tools there and Russia will be A-OK. In return, China gets secure access to the resources it needs. If anything good comes out of this war, it's that Russia will have to rebuild its military with Chinese technology no matter the outcome of the war.

Russia's ambitions don't stretch beyond Ukraine. Russia has accepted that it's not the USSR and cannot challenge NATO directly. NATO will also never confront Russia directly or touch its homeland because of its nuclear weapons. As for immigration, that comes with its own social problems. One might think things have ebbed since the far right got its clock cleaned in the American midterms, but that's a temporary reprieve. One day the correct combination of charisma, competence, honesty, and fascism will emerge in an American politician.

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Surely, it is a case of projection when they think Russia and China want to make land grabs?

It's a New World kind of projection and psychological fear?

I mean, the colonial-settlers set a really bad precendent here by ravishing native populations and stealing huge chunks of their land. What if other people learnt from their example?

Lethe said:

I am posting here rather than in the Ukraine War thread as I do not wish my post to be deleted as off-topic.



If Russia could not modernise and reform its forces during a 20 year period characterised by a stable population courtesy of high immigration, moderate economic growth, relatively open access to western technologies, and a government predisposed to think in terms of national security and embark on any number of military reforms, then what hope does it have in the years and decades ahead, which will be characterised by economic and technological isolation, a falling population, and anemic economic growth? The Gods of history are cruel and there is little reason to think that they will permit Moscow to re-roll the dice. This affair could well mark the beginning of a permanent and irrevocable diminution in Russia's status in the world. History is littered with empires and powers long extinguished or relegated to mere shadows of their former glory, and it is hubris to imagine that Russia is immune to such a fate. As observers our task is to assess things as objectively and dispassionately as we are able, and everything I see points in one direction: decline.

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`Few point.

1., so you say in the past 30 years Russia was bigger and more important element of the international politics than now? Could you explain it please?
2. What you mean by "military reform" ? The Current Russian army is not similar to the Soviet one, so we can say changed dramatically. Other hand the USA army is the same since 1941. And how could the reform looks like? Few USA guy drop in, and say clever things to the seatern subhumans, like in 1991 ? With simillar effect ?