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siegecrossbow

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Could it be VTOL given position of nozzle, the general layout similar to Yak VTOLs, and the opening that seems to be just for landing gears but could be for fans? Engine nozzle seems to end not too far back from where the wings end.

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I think those are weapons bays...

Interesting that they are not going for one-piece canopy and is still using a spherical IRST. If they performed further RCS reduction measures this could potentially be the most stealthy fifth gen fighter.
 

ougoah

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I guess we (deliberately including myself here) tend to forget that the MiG-21 is Russian/Soviet - so while Russia has an obvious need for large, long-range fighters, there's an outstanding precedent for a lightweight low-cost complement. For the time being this is apparently a company-funded initiative for the export market, but we should not exclude the possibility of it being adopted by the VKS later on (like the Su-30MKI/SM). Especially with the Russian budget under the kind of pressure that it is experiencing, that could force the military's hand if fleet numbers are to be maintained at a high level.

Since the Mig-21, the USSR and Russia has not introduced another lightweight single engine fighter. The Mig-21 was from an era where it wasn't really a "lightweight" and it filled its role as a capable interceptor with decent range. Again for its era, it had decent range and payload while maintaining its main purpose of getting places quickly.

Anyway it's hard to say what the range would be like for this fighter. It certainly looks larger than the lightweights of today. I would imagine modern Russia will maintain its preference for heavier fighters unless this just offers such appealing cost and production specs.
 

stannislas

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Not exactly if you think about it. Whatever sales this fighter picks up would be their sales regardless. The US won't be offering F-35 to many airforces that become customers of this. Some can't afford to buy F-35, others aren't allowed to even touch it. With China, J-20 sure isn't for sale no matter how much some might think. J-XY (from FC-31 project) is a PLANAF fighter as far as we can tell and also sure isn't for sale. FC-31 is but there is a million miles gap between flying a shell prototype, finishing a complete fighter with all its systems ready and reliable, and actually producing the thing in numbers and under acceptable budgets!

FC-31 is the only real "alternative" and that would require the purchasing nation to pour in billions of their own funds to make the FC-31 into their xyz fighter. Korean KFX is the only other 5th gen that is remotely close to being ready for production and I have doubts it is available for export either since the engine is American and the Koreans are finalising Indonesia's partnership in that program. Too many fingers in that pie to make it a realistic export/import option that works out to everyone's approval.

So essentially countries shopping for a 5th gen have two choices, Su-57 now-ish or Checkmate whenever it is ready for purchase.
base on what UAC said, and the state of this aircraft atm, i think it will require way more money than fc-31 to become a real deal...
 

Gloire_bb

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I think those are weapons bays...

Interesting that they are not going for one-piece canopy and is still using a spherical IRST. If they performed further RCS reduction measures this could potentially be the most stealthy fifth gen fighter.
I guess both're shared with su-57.

Since the Mig-21, the USSR and Russia has not introduced another lightweight single engine fighter.
Mig-23*.
And there also were Mig-27 and Su-17 families of strike fighters fighter-bombers.
 

stannislas

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Since the Mig-21, the USSR and Russia has not introduced another lightweight single engine fighter. The Mig-21 was from an era where it wasn't really a "lightweight" and it filled its role as a capable interceptor with decent range. Again for its era, it had decent range and payload while maintaining its main purpose of getting places quickly.

Anyway it's hard to say what the range would be like for this fighter. It certainly looks larger than the lightweights of today. I would imagine modern Russia will maintain its preference for heavier fighters unless this just offers such appealing cost and production specs.
exactly, unless WW3 is coming soon, the "frontline" aircraft has no place to exist.

you can't sell an airfield defender to anyone anymore..
 

ougoah

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There was a rumour by Huitong indicating a PLAAF version of J-35 is likely to fly soon, maybe that is a possible export model?

I would hope not. Not even to close countries you can "trust" not to give details away. These things aren't money makers for China. China rely on them for security and the promise that real money makers continue operating and aren't threatened by angry external forces.

FC-31 is an exportable aircraft. It's export version may feature some J-35/xy since SAC won't be building two very different frames. Minor mods and everything else is either changed or buyer does their own. Difference of making a few dozen units sold is pocket change and will only slow down SAC's production while giving away details on even relatively trivial stuff. Simply unnecessary and there is close to no shown desire to export it now that SAC has got PLANAF (and possibly PLAAF). At first it was just SAC privately funded and appeared in expos etc but now the big fish was caught? Even if it finds customers outside of China, you have to wonder how different the export variant will have to be if PLAAF and PLANAF or even just one of those will be flying J-xy as one of its new frontline fighters. My guess is it'll be missing plenty of important and sensitive gear.
 

ougoah

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I think those are weapons bays...

Interesting that they are not going for one-piece canopy and is still using a spherical IRST. If they performed further RCS reduction measures this could potentially be the most stealthy fifth gen fighter.

You are very aware there is a truckload more to stealth than shaping and aerodynamic engineering compromising with shaping which I'm sure are skills Sukhoi have in spades.

Similarly, there is much, much more to a fighter or any weapon than a snapshot. Production rates, production quality etc are all factors that may be telling. The more invisible stuff are related to operations. On these we have no idea, the Chinese ones can be the absolute worst and the Russians and Americans the absolute best. We simply don't know ;)

It could potentially be the most stealthy when the final product is delivered. Just very much impossible for us to say. Even eyeballing RCS is pointless. But let's just say it has the inherent properties of featuring excellent VLO against x band RF - smaller size, fewer surfaces.
 
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