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There is no way that the Soviet navy could have hoped to operate in what the Danes call the West Sea. The North Sea to the Russians is North of Russia and Norway and West of Nova Zembla.(based on and what I read elsewhere)
briefly the Russian Navy issue promised in the above post:
currently there's no planning, at the Headquarters level, for coordinated operations "in the World Oceans"; for example
(I'll use one from the times of the USSR so that nobody considers it war-mongeringOK hopefully):
the appropriate units of the Soviet Baltic Fleet, on the order from the Moscow Headquarters and with the operation plans made in the Moscow Headquarters (by the way the HQ are in S. Petersburg now), could've been moved to the North Sea before an outbreak of the war, to "keep busy" NATO Navies (I think mainly the Dutch Navy, sorry delft
now there's no Department even considering the actions at the HQ level, and all five Fleets have independent "operational strategies" (to me this basically means they're reduced to coastal protection; you may tell me about the Surface Group off Syria, but, to me, that's also coastal protection)
BTW in the Netherlands we have a wet area that is now called IJsselmeer and was until 1932 the Zuiderzee - in English the Southern Sea. This might have called the East Sea by the people from Hollanf but was to the South of Frisia which had a important merchant marine earlier than Holland. So we called the Baltic, with the Danes, the East Sea, Oostzee in Dutch.
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Jura The idiot
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all right, all right, I just gave an example to explain what I meant by
sorry delft, the typo (?) in
is ugly
Jura The idiot
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there are two questions related to space/weaponry "dilemma"
- Are the conditions really unbearable? in this sense: I've read recollections of a WW2 German Submariner, who at that time complained to (a retired) WW1 German Submariner; the old guy told him something like Common, your sub is luxurious! When I served, we didn't have a toilet, a Torpedo Operator had to sleep on the torp, ... so don't complain! (later of course a WW2 Submariner would've said a 1970s sub is luxurious, then a 1970s Submariner would've said the same about a current sub)
- Can you hire now a guy to sleep on the torp until he'll launch it? I don't think so LOL!
I was too lazy to find another spelling for that new land. This is the way it is spelled in Dutch. It is a famous place to the Dutch because Willem son of Barend and the crew of his ship survive a winter 1596-7 on the northern island when his attempt to reach the Indies along that route failed. The sea is now called Barends Sea.
Jura The idiot
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sorry for nitpickingI was too lazy to find another spelling for that new land. This is the way it is spelled in Dutch. It is a famous place because Willem son of Barend and the crew of his ship survive a winter 1596-7 on the northern island when his attempt to reach the Indies along that route failed. The sea is now called Barends Sea.
I should've clicked:indeed!
Of course they are not unbearable, but people might decide not to sign on for a next period if they aren't decidedly better than are acceptable to a Chinese crew that isn't away from home so very long and so very often. See the concern about USN CVN's spending more than half their time on station in West Pac or the Indian Ocean.there are two questions related to space/weaponry "dilemma"
- Are the conditions really unbearable? in this sense: I've read recollections of a WW2 German Submariner, who at that time complained to (a retired) WW1 German Submariner; the old guy told him something like Common, your sub is luxurious! When I served, we didn't have a toilet, a Torpedo Operator had to sleep on the torp, ... so don't complain! (later of course a WW2 Submariner would've said a 1970s sub is luxurious, then a 1970s Submariner would've said the same about a current sub)
- Can you hire now a guy to sleep on the torp until he'll launch it? I don't think so LOL!
Jura The idiot
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now I need to get back to what I originally said
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/russian-military-news-reports-data-etc.t1545/page-383#post-415044
as any accommodation concerns hardly explain certain Western warships not receiving
- a VLS to be able to provide a mid-range AA protection (examples would be #1, #2 from the original posts)
- ASW means other than a helo (example would be #3 from the original post: what such an "escort" is supposed to escort?)
Russian designers put "everything"* on, which sometimes was ridiculous as a towed sonar on the Slava-class Cruisers
* I know it's an exaggeration, generalization, whatever
Submariners are carefully selected among other sailors. Mainly because of the nature of their duty (staying for a long periods of time with a number of people that you know alomost everything about) and it's seen as something to be proud of. At least in the big navies around the world. Thanks to that most of them are cool, easy going sailors without too much temper ashore. Without that you couldn't work in those conditions.
The North Sea for the Russians is the same as for everyone else.
Баренцево море (rus.for Barents sea) never is called as such.