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Russa's New Assault Rifle Is.... Both of them?

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the Russian Army has excepted both the AK 12 and AEK 971 for trials. in the new year they will begin fielding and testing to decide which they like better the modular AK12 or the soft shooting ballenced recoil AEK. the end Choice will then slowly supplant the AK74M. both systems improve on the controls of the Ak adding selectors and features more common on western arms to the basic AK layout. AEK uses the Ballenced recoil system making it a softer shooter, AK12 is more of a system weapon being convertible to carbine, DMR, Automatic weapon, Shot gun, Subcarbine and more.
So Adopting AK 12 could cause the Russian Army to change it's doctrine. as It would push the Russian army to drop everything but maybe it's PKP Pecheneg and pistols.
because it would replace the AK74M, Ak105 Carbine, RPK-74 and RPK ( already more or less phased out for PKP Pecheneg) some Dragonov, Saiga-12, Where AEK is more limited in scope and would only take the Assault rifle role.
Additionally the Kalashnikov Group, the merger company formed from Russia's top small arms makers including Izmash who was the Traditional home of the Ak. Has decided to place the AK-12 on the open market.

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Russa's New Assault Rifle Is.... Both of them?

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the Russian Army has excepted both the AK 12 and AEK 971 for trials. in the new year they will begin fielding and testing to decide which they like better the modular AK12 or the soft shooting ballenced recoil AEK. the end Choice will then slowly supplant the AK74M. both systems improve on the controls of the Ak adding selectors and features more common on western arms to the basic AK layout. AEK uses the Ballenced recoil system making it a softer shooter, AK12 is more of a system weapon being convertible to carbine, DMR, Automatic weapon, Shot gun, Subcarbine and more.
So Adopting AK 12 could cause the Russian Army to change it's doctrine. as It would push the Russian army to drop everything but maybe it's PKP Pecheneg and pistols.
because it would replace the AK74M, Ak105 Carbine, RPK-74 and RPK ( already more or less phased out for PKP Pecheneg) some Dragonov, Saiga-12, Where AEK is more limited in scope and would only take the Assault rifle role.
Additionally the Kalashnikov Group, the merger company formed from Russia's top small arms makers including Izmash who was the Traditional home of the Ak. Has decided to place the AK-12 on the open market.

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Russia’s new military doctrine lists NATO, US as major foreign threats

Russia has adopted an updated version of its military doctrine, which reflects the emergence of new threats against its national security. NATO military buildup and American Prompt Global Strike concept are listed among them.

The new doctrine was approved on Friday by President Vladimir Putin. Its core remains unchanged from the previous version. The Russian military remains a defensive tool which the country pledges to use only as a last resort.

Also unchanged are the principles of the use of nuclear weapons which Russia adheres to. Their primary goal is to deter potential enemies from attacking Russia, but it would use them to protect itself from a military attack – either nuclear or conventional – threatening its existence.

The new sections of the doctrine outline the threat Russia sees in NATO’s expansion and military buildup and the fact that the alliance is taking upon itself “global functions realized with violation of international law.”

The doctrine lists among major foreign military threats “the creation and deployment of global strategic antiballistic missile systems that undermines the established global stability and balance of power in nuclear missile capabilities, the implementation of the ‘prompt strike’ concept, intent to deploy weapons in space and deployment of strategic conventional precision weapons.” ......

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Putin signs new military doctrine naming NATO as Russia’s top military threat

MOSCOW — President Vladimir Putin has signed a new military doctrine that describes NATO’s military buildup near the Russian borders as the top military threat amid Russia-West tensions over Ukraine.

The document released by the Kremlin on Friday maintains the provisions of the previous, 2010 edition of the military doctrine regarding the use of nuclear weapons. It says Russia could use nuclear weapons in retaliation to the use of nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies, and also in case of aggression involving conventional weapons that “threatens the very existence” of the Russian state.

For the first time, the new doctrine says that Russia could use precision weapons “as part of strategic deterrent measures.” The document doesn’t spell out conditions for their use.......

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'Nuclear train' returns: Russia to deploy rail-based missiles to counter US 'Prompt Global Strike'
Published time: December 18, 2013 15:31
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Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces are preparing to revive railroad-based missiles and counter the US’s Conventional Prompt Global Strike concept. A blueprint of the modernized “nuclear train” will be presented in the first half of 2014.

“A Defense Ministry report has been submitted to the president and the order has been given to develop a preliminary design of a rail-mounted missile system,” the commander of the Strategic Missile Force, Lt. Gen. Sergey Karakayev, said Wednesday, RIA Novosti news agency reported.

General Karakayev compared a potential power of a “nuclear train” with several missiles to a division of stationery silo-based intercontinental ballistic missiles.

“Our missile officers are frustrated that we don’t possess such a system today,” Karakayev said Wednesday. “When the Supreme Commander-in-Chief [President Vladimir Putin] asked me about it, I expressed full support in the railroad-based missile systems.”

Russia used to possess ICBM Molodets railroad-based missile system (NATO designation: SS-24 Scalpel) disguised as an ordinary freight train, inherited from the Soviet Union. With Russia’s extremely vast railroad system, detection and preemptive destruction of that system was extremely difficult.

“We see the future missile as solid-fueled, with multiple warheads – with RT-24 Yars as a prototype. We are talking of modifying missiles that are to weigh 47 tons. To compare, a missile in the old nuclear train weighed 110 tons,” Karakayev said.

Within the framework of the START-II nuclear arms reduction treaty with the US, signed by President Boris Yeltsin and his US counterpart, George H. W. Bush in 1993, the SS-24 Scalpel system was decommissioned and all launching platforms were destroyed by 2007.

The ‘New START’ treaty signed by presidents Dmitry Medvedev and Barack Obama in 2011 does not limit the use of railway-based systems, so in 2012 Russia reconsidered development of a new version of a railway-based strategic missile system.

One year later, Russia’s Defense Ministry announced the new railroad missile system would be developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Technology – the same institute that developed the sea-based Bulava nuclear missile for the latest generation of Borey-class submarine strategic nuclear missile carriers.

The Institute is expected to present a blueprint of the system within the next six months.

The project is aimed at countering the threat posed by the US Conventional Prompt Global Strike concept. This concept implies destroying stationary targets with hypersonic missiles armed with conventional warheads in any part of the planet within an hour of receiving an order.

A constantly moving “nuclear train” is viewed as a hard target for that still-being-developed system.

Last week, Russia’s Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the Russian military and defense industry, called America’s Conventional Prompt Global Strike concept “the most important new strategy being developed by the United States today.” Rogozin warned that in case Russia becomes a target of such a strike, “in certain circumstances we will of course respond with nuclear weapons.”

Recently, Rogozin also announced that Russia was developing strike hypersonic missiles itself.

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. Nuclear trains can remain on the move and if you look at putin's nuclear train you should note it's a pop up system. When the covers are down the Launchers look like any other Russian Commuter/Industrial Rail. the only question is what size of rail it used. Russia uses both standard gauge and older imperial gage. that's without mentioning the Recent Chinese negotiations rumored to include High speed rail . IF it's one or the other then it might be easier to spot and limit it's routes but the Russians I fear would not be above running it on any old line that suits their fancy that means having to comb all of the largest nation on the planet looking for that one train that seems going no where. but that train as i said will not look to out of place.

and for the Record the US also looked into and was planning it's own nuclear rail

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If not for Start but perhaps it's time to give it the old dust off.

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