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xsub1223342

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It is not just subs. Its the drone integration with land based missiles. No Navy will want to come close to the coast for hundreds of miles as it will not be sure about actual range of missiles.. and drones are difficult to intercept. most of drones in ukraine conflict are intercepted with in visual range. and yes drone has AESA radar. i posted it Forpost-R.
It should be noted that the Northern Sea Route goes though a few straits (right to left) the Longa, Sannikov/Dmitry, Vilkitsky, and finally the Kara Gates. With the Longa Straight being the largest at around ~200km while one getting smaller and smaller from ~100km down to ~70km.
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Russian law also requires foreign state vessels to get permission to pass though these straits.
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pmc

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More complex tasks will also be handled by drones like anti-sub. it is the drone and space capabilities that will determine the outcome. This Pantsir on small boats can intercept drones, hypersonic and ballistic missiles. MIG-31 is used to detect HIMAR rockets. the point is not to radiate and use air defense at last minute. Blue water navy with its non stealthy awacs is not going to hide.
the only question arises is to use aircraft carrier to occupy land but than building thousands of cruise missiles and drones can do the same work as few aircraft carriers. Industrial automation favor mass production which airacraft carrier with its manual preparation and low sortie rate is not.

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In the USSR, this effect became known in the early sixties. A radar crew on the shore discovered that our own submarine, which was being tracked by radar for training purposes, remained visible on the radar screen even after diving - the radar simply "tracked" not the submarine itself, but its "trace" on the surface.

At the turn of the 1980s and early 1990s, the Pacific Fleet flew a Be-12 anti-submarine aircraft, specially modified for radar detection of one of the anomalies known to domestic specialists at the time. The results were positive - specially trained navigators were able to recognize the trace of a submerged submarine in the radar "picture". In fact, the aircraft crew now simply saw the place under which the submarine was located at depth.

The US was actively monitoring these works in Russia and was intensively conducting them themselves. They made a decisive step – they connected a specially configured aircraft radar (which we also had) with a powerful computing complex capable of accurately distinguishing that very anomaly from a similar, natural one. And the computers coped. Today, any American or Japanese anti-submarine aircraft “sees” the place under which a submarine is moving at depth. From a very large distance.

For the Russian submarine fleet, the outcome was disappointing. Here is what Lieutenant General of the Russian Navy's Naval Aviation V.N. Sokerin wrote about the Northern Fleet (NF) exercises:

"There was one smart officer serving in the command of the 57th Scud (Severomorsk-3) (57th mixed naval aviation division, now a disbanded unit of the Northern Fleet naval aviation – Vzglyad note) . About a month after another assembly-cruise of the Northern Fleet ships, he... suggested looking at his analysis... He did a huge job, analyzed the movement patterns of all our boats that took part in the assembly-cruise, the "wiring" by air defense systems of all foreign aircraft in the area of operation of the fleet forces...
On the first and third days of the forces' presence at sea, one Orion
(a patrol/anti-submarine aircraft of American manufacture - VZGLYAD note) flew in from AS Annenes , flew along some "broken" route, and then went back. That smart officer, having "superimposed" on the map of the Orion's route the tracings of their actual location during the Orion's flight received from the submarine, made an unambiguous conclusion that... all ten "turning" points of its actual route were located absolutely precisely above the actual location (at the time of flight) of all 10 (!) submarines . "

This was back in the nineties. Today, all American and all Japanese anti-submarine aircraft have radars with mapping functions. The question is – why is this needed over the sea, what is there to map? Water?
And the answer is this - to get a clear radar picture from the surface of the water, you need exactly this precise radar, and it is there. And you also need a very powerful computing complex, and such a complex is also there.

What do anti-submarine drones from ships have to do with this? Given that their supposed prototype MQ-8B also received a radar with such a function. And they also have an optical-electronic surveillance system. This means that such a device can also carry a thermal imager suitable for detecting the emerging wake of a submarine. And buoys for identifying the detected underwater target, too. And the computing complex can be on the ship. Together with buoys, low-frequency illumination from ships, anti-submarine helicopters and torpedo weapons, future American anti-submarine drones will strengthen the already enormous anti-submarine capabilities of the US Navy and, possibly, its allies.



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The Outpost accepted: The Navy has begun to develop long-range drones​

The Northern Fleet's UAV regiment often learns new techniques, military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia.

"The modified version of the UAV is a full—fledged reconnaissance and strike drone," he explained. — It can control vast sparsely populated northern territories or the Barents Sea. At the same time, the detected targets can be attacked immediately with the help of aerial bombs and missiles. These UAVs will be used to record cases of illegal crossing of the state border or control of fishing. For example, after the outbreak of the Great Patriotic War, Russia banned the British from fishing in its part of the Barents Sea. The UK took it painfully, and the story may get a sequel.

"Outposts" should be able to work with unmanned boats (BEC), the expert noted.

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According to the Northern Sea Route Directorate, such drones will collect operational information to ensure safe passage for ships along the NSR. The "Arctic" UAV is equipped with an optical-electronic system, a side-looking radar, an onboard special computer, and an image recognition program. In the future, it will land on the icebreaker's deck automatically. After testing, the drone will be put into serial production.
The operational aerial ice reconnaissance complex is one of the components of the emerging digital ecosystem of the Northern Sea Route. In the future, it will be supplemented by a navigation system and data exchange between ships and coastal services, decision-making systems for searching for ships in distress, and so on.
 

Lethe

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I'm a little late to the party re: the end of Admiral Kuznetsov, but I would note that I have long been skeptical of the sustainability of Russia's carrier enterprise in the context of limited budgets and other, more pressing requirements. It's unfortunate that it has required the exigencies of the current conflict with Ukraine to bring the Navy and the nation to the point that the writing on the wall can actually be acknowledged. As has so often been the case throughout history, war has created a certain clarity of purpose that allows for difficult decisions to be made. One can only speculate as to how other Russian Navy programs might've benefitted from the resources that have been expended to keep Admiral Kuznetsov alive this past decade.
 
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Gloire_bb

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They don't lack money.

They're building boomers and alternative boomers (status deterrence submarines, cruise missile submarines with clear secondar deterrence role) like they have a fever, despite lacking basic means to protect them (like what's the point of deep acoustic stealth, if blue submarine can just stick to you from base and/or other point?).

1-2 such submarines all cost like building a carrier, not just repairing it.

It's almost ridiculous at this point, a few "Ukrainian" drones with modern mines and direct wargeads can neutralize entire Ru sea deterrent, and 2 entire Russian fleets they won't be even able to solve it.

This isn't lack of money, this is directly Mr. Putin lacking basic 101 on naval warfare, none being around to advise, and Russian submarine lobby happily obliging.

Also, navy itself said, shipbuilder saying that result doesn't make sense?
It's like a eunuch directly saying that checking forbidden city inventory doesn't make sense.
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HighGround

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@Gloire_bb

Putin isn't personally hand stamping ship orders... But sure, the failure of the Russian MIC and its military leadership to provide a solution to Ukraine's Black Sea drone fleet is notable, but that's not to say that they won't eventually create one.

Though I'm not quite clear about why you're so critical of Russia's naval strategy. The Russian Navy is largely trapped. It's main priority is to protect a critical part of its nuclear triad, with all other roles being a functional luxury. It is making notable progress in regards to larger surface combatants and helicopter carriers (which are probably what it actually needs rather than actual carriers), but it is also limited by its own industry.

Development of new and larger radars, better sonars, better armaments are necessary to produce a larger warship. This happens regularly in China, but Russia is a much smaller country than China with a much smaller economy and it's still producing a respectable number of warship designs (and actual warships) relative to its size.

Quite frankly, it's significantly outperforming in MIC relative to its economy. Most nation-states simply cannot support an MIC this large and advanced. Compare it to the UK, which does need blue water assets to contribute to its fight and does have a large economy, large population, and market access to anything it could need. It's fleet isn't that much more impressive than the Russian fleet, and its other branches are woeful by comparison. The state of their MIC is also pitiful.

I suppose a better example would be RoK, who does have a very well managed fleet, other armed branches, and respectable MIC, but it's also much more modest in size with significantly less coastline and land to defend.

I don't think you can really say this is gross mis-management. Taking all the various factors into account, the current status and near-future prospects of the Russian Navy are fairly logical and respectable.
 

gelgoog

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No love for the Project 23550 Arctic Patrol ships?
A lot of people don't see the point in these ships. I think the Russians built them because Norway and Canada were doing the same.

It's almost ridiculous at this point, a few "Ukrainian" drones with modern mines and direct wargeads can neutralize entire Ru sea deterrent, and 2 entire Russian fleets they won't be even able to solve it.
The Russians also pulled back their ground attack aviation after significant airframe losses in the first year of the war. Then they came up with the UMPK and now their aviation is active again.
I expect the same thing to happen with regards to naval drones.

Much of the issue is political interference. If the politicians stopped hamstringing the navy all naval trade with Ukraine would have ceased a long time already. Instead we get things like the Black Sea grain initiative. The truth is the Russians can sink ships on the other side of the Black Sea anytime they want. Oniks has over 800km range and Zircon over 1000km.

the failure of the Russian MIC and its military leadership to provide a solution to Ukraine's Black Sea drone fleet is notable, but that's not to say that they won't eventually create one.
They started using helicopters, fighters, and aerial drones to fight against naval drones. There have been some fumbles but eventually the Russians will get it.

Quite frankly, it's significantly outperforming in MIC relative to its economy. Most nation-states simply cannot support an MIC this large and advanced. Compare it to the UK, which does need blue water assets to contribute to its fight and does have a large economy, large population, and market access to anything it could need. It's fleet isn't that much more impressive than the Russian fleet, and its other branches are woeful by comparison. The state of their MIC is also pitiful.
The UK has like half the population and less than half the industrial economy of Russia. As the first hyper-financialized economy the UK has a hollowed shell of an industry.
For example the UK has four SSBNs and the Russians have twelve.
The UK has to import Trident II SLBMs from the US while Russia makes their own Bulava SLBM.
The UK has zero space launch capability.
The UK has to ask the French to build nuclear power plants at Sizewell C and they are being hard pressed to build four such NPPs. While the Russians are building four in Turkey and another four in Egypt. Plus another eight in Russia.

The Russian Navy only appears smaller than it is because it is broken up into geographically disparate fleets.

The UK still has some industrial remnants left over like Rolls-Royce aviation gas turbines or Ricardo as a piston engine design center but most of it is a mess really.

I suppose a better example would be RoK, who does have a very well managed fleet, other armed branches, and respectable MIC, but it's also much more modest in size with significantly less coastline and land to defend.
The RoK has a pretty impressive MIC even compared with Japan which has twice the size economy right next door.
But even the RoK cannot develop is own fighter engines yet. And they had quite a lot of Russian help developing their missiles for example. Look at their SAMs and short range ballistics.

The Russians also have Katod gen 3 tubes in their 1pn138 monocular. China's NNVT has started producing gen 3 tubes but I don't see much use of analogue night vision in general.
The Russians already had the industry from Soviet times so it was easier to continue down that path than switch towards digital.
The main advantage of analog night vision is lower latency and lower power consumption.
 

pmc

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There is another submarine project. The point is Putin should know where the research is successful and probability of what is effective in futuristic battlefield like long range AAMs will be against MPA whether drone or aircraft. there is also report that few hundred Russian satellite network. Russian science is effective from ground up even there token representation in various Science Olympiads gets gold medals.

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Putin asked to report on the creation of a fifth-generation nuclear submarine​

Putin asked to report on the implementation of the program to create fifth-generation nuclear submarines

SEVERODVINSK, July 24 - RIA Novosti.
Russian President Vladimir Putin asked to report on the progress of the program to create a fifth-generation strategic nuclear submarine.

During a working visit to the Arkhangelsk region, Putin held a meeting on the development of the submarine forces of the Russian Navy.

"Last year (2024 - ed.) we approved a comprehensive target program for the creation of a new, fifth-generation strategic submarine. And today I would like to hear how the work on implementing this program is progressing," Putin said.

The head of state also noted that the construction of non-nuclear submarines of Project 677 is underway.

"I ask you to report today on how serial production of boats of this project is progressing," the president added.

The fifth-generation nuclear submarine project was named "Husky". According to the project, submarines of this type should combine the capabilities of a strategic and multi-purpose submarine and be designed for strategic deterrence and destruction of enemy ships, as well as strikes with high-precision weapons on ground targets.
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Russian President Approves New National Space Project​

Moscow. June 17. INTERFAX.RU - Roscosmos CEO Dmitry Bakanov reported that the new national space project has been approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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Previously, the chairman of the government ‍‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‍‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌ ... ‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‍‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌‌ ... ...

According to Mishustin, new initiatives in this area are planned to be launched next year, after final revision and approval by the Russian president.

On June 3, Bakanov reported that the Russian Ministry of Finance
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the national space exploration project in the amount of 4.5 trillion rubles.
 

pmc

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Its a New strategy for Navy all the way to 2050 according to Putin. i am sure tech breakthroughs, Ukraine experience and much deeper understanding of Royals moved him in this direction.
see the Sukhoi passenger plane in Saudi livery and keep Iran engaged it has to provide help. they will keep this mind to develop surveillance and strike systems.

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26.07.2025
President Vladimir Putin emphasized that the new strategy for developing the Russian Navy through 2050 is direct evidence of Russia's confidence in its capabilities and potential


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Russia Considers Exporting Domestic Aircraft to Saudi Arabia​

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