Russian Kuznetsov CSG News, Pics, Videos, & Views

Jeff Head said:

Here's a brief history of the Kuznetsov:

She was commissioned in 1990, and now has been in active service 23 years:

1985 - Launched
1990 - Commissioned
1995-1996 (Dec-Mar) - Mediterranean Deployment
2004 - Atlantic Ocean Deployment (One SU-33 slid off deck into the OCean during these exercises)
2005 - Atlantic Ocean Deployment
2006 - Major Modernization Refit
2007-2008 (Dec-Feb) - Mediterranean Deployment
2008 - Barents Sea Deployment
2008-2009 (Dec-Feb) Mediterranean deployment (Fire aboard kills one sailor off Turkey)
2009 (Jan-Mar) - Atlantic Ocean Deployment (LArge oilspill while UNREP off Ireland)
2011-2012 (Dec-Feb) - Mediterranean Deployment
2012 (Late) - Mediterranean Deployment


.

Click to expand...

Two months is not a real deployment IMO..not even close. Aboard America in '81 our work-ups prior to the deployment were seven weeks long..

By comparison here's the deployment record of USS Abraham Lincoln which was commissioned about the same time as Kuznetsov;

May 28, 1991-November 25, 1991
June 15, 1993-December 15, 1993
April 11, 1995-October 9, 1995
June 11, 1998-December 11, 1998
August 17,2000-February 12, 2001
July 20, 2002-May 5, 2003
October 15, 2004-March 4, 2005
February 27, 2006-August 8, 2006
March 13, 2008-October 12, 2008
September 7, 2010-March 24, 2011
December 7, 2011-August 7, 2012

And yes I know the Russian CV is not a nuke. I can compare her deployment record to...JFK perhaps.

edit: I'm not trying to argue with anyone just making a statement of my own opinion.

bd popeye said:

Two months is not a real deployment IMO..not even close. Aboard America in '81 our work-ups prior to the deployment were seven weeks long..

By comparison here's the deployment record of USS Abraham Lincoln:
May 28, 1991-November 25, 1991
June 15, 1993-December 15, 1993
April 11, 1995-October 9, 1995
June 11, 1998-December 11, 1998
August 17,2000-February 12, 2001
July 20, 2002-May 5, 2003
October 15, 2004-March 4, 2005
February 27, 2006-August 8, 2006
March 13, 2008-October 12, 2008
September 7, 2010-March 24, 2011
December 7, 2011-August 7, 2012

Click to expand...

No problem, Popeye. This is one of my points.

72 months at sea in 11 years for the Abraham Lincoln.

About 34 months at sea in 17 years for the Kuznetsov.

HUGE difference.

Jeff Head said:

No problem, Popeye. This is one of my points.

72 months at sea in 11 years for the Abraham Lincoln.

About 34 months at sea in 17 years for the Kuznetsov.

HUGE difference.

Click to expand...

That's just the deployed time.

AND that's not counting work ups, training, and other jaunts while stateside for training for CVN-72.

In 2010, it was announced that the Kuznetsov would start a five year overhaul in 2012.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

This did not happen...but supposedly it is still planned and some are reporting

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

, after the current deployment.


It is meant to be a MAJOR overhaul and undertaking, planning to accomplish all of the following:

• The propulsion which currently comprises steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers will be replaced with a gas-turbine unit.

• The ship's 3M45 P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise-missile launchers will be dismantled, and her internal layout changed. As a result, hangar is to be expanded to 4,500-5,000 sq. meters.

• The =air defenses will be strengthened by replacing 3K95 Kinzhal (SA-N-9 Gauntlet) missiles with a multi-role naval system featuring 80-120 new-generation and medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs).

• Four to six Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) combined short to medium-range SAM and anti-aircraft artillery weapons systems will be installed. Similar to Kashtan, but new and improved.

• New state-of-the-art radio-electronic equipment, probably including the standard Sigma combat information and control system, due to be installed on all new generation Russian warships will be installed. This system facilitates effective cooperation between task force elements.

• Two waist catapults, will be located on the angled flight deck.

• The carrier's air wing will comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, AEW and ASW helicopters and, ultimately, navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA fifth-generation fighters.

These are very significant changes to Kuznetsov should they occur, and will significantly upgrade her capability.

The vessels re-launch is slated, pending the 2014 start date, to occur in late 2019 or early 2020.

Are the planned waist catapults steam catapults ?
If the steam turbines and boilers are replaced with gas turbines, would the catapults need an extra source of steam ?

Jeff Head said:

• The propulsion which currently comprises steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers will be replaced with a gas-turbine unit.

• Two waist catapults, will be located on the angled flight deck.

Click to expand...

Jeff Head said:

In 2010, it was announced that the Kuznetsov would start a five year overhaul in 2012.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

This did not happen...but supposedly it is still planned and some are reporting

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

, after the current deployment.

It is meant to be a MAJOR overhaul and undertaking, planning to accomplish all of the following:

• The propulsion which currently comprises steam turbines and turbo-pressurized boilers will be replaced with a gas-turbine unit.

• The ship's 3M45 P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise-missile launchers will be dismantled, and her internal layout changed. As a result, hangar is to be expanded to 4,500-5,000 sq. meters.

• The =air defenses will be strengthened by replacing 3K95 Kinzhal (SA-N-9 Gauntlet) missiles with a multi-role naval system featuring 80-120 new-generation and medium-range surface-to-air missiles (SAMs).

• Four to six Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound) combined short to medium-range SAM and anti-aircraft artillery weapons systems will be installed. Similar to Kashtan, but new and improved.

• New state-of-the-art radio-electronic equipment, probably including the standard Sigma combat information and control system, due to be installed on all new generation Russian warships will be installed. This system facilitates effective cooperation between task force elements.

• Two waist catapults, will be located on the angled flight deck.

• The carrier's air wing will comprise 26 new Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29K Fulcrum-D multi-role fighter aircraft, AEW and ASW helicopters and, ultimately, navalized Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA fifth-generation fighters.

These are very significant changes to Kuznetsov should they occur, and will significantly upgrade her capability.

The vessels re-launch is slated, pending the 2014 start date, to occur in late 2019 or early 2020.

Click to expand...

This refers to an article from September last year. I remember reading in the Daily News of Marine Forum a few months ago and of reporting it on the flattop thread that the beginning of the overhaul has been delayed from this year until 2018. I speculated that the Russians would want to learn from the experience with Liaoning. Several of the items in the list seem to me very unlikely, i.e. replacing the steam plant by gas turbines, the cats and the navalized T-50.

delft said:

I speculated that the Russians would want to learn from the experience with Liaoning. Several of the items in the list seem to me very unlikely, i.e. replacing the steam plant by gas turbines, the cats and the navalized T-50.

Click to expand...

I agree.

Several of the items may seem very unlikely.

On the other hand, if they really do spend five years in the yards, they would have time to do all of it. They could build a new carrier in that time.

So, we will just have to wait and see what they do.

I expect that they want the Mig-29Ks. It seems to me that the EOL for the SU-33s is either 2015 or 2016.

As to the cats. Will they be steam? we do not know. If they are steam, then they will need to retain steam production capability. If they are EM, then they will be putting something in place that to date, I have not seen much indication of evelopment in Russia for.

Jeff Head said:

I agree.

Several of the items may seem very unlikely.

On the other hand, if they really do spend five years in the yards, they would have time to do all of it. They could build a new carrier in that time.

So, we will just have to wait and see what they do.

I expect that they want the Mig-29Ks. It seems to me that the EOL for the SU-33s is either 2015 or 2016.

As to the cats. Will they be steam? we do not know. If they are steam, then they will need to retain steam production capability. If they are EM, then they will be putting something in place that to date, I have not seen much indication of evelopment in Russia for.

Click to expand...

They might know that if they wait until 2018 they might have an opportunity to buy Chinese cats.