Russian IRBM test succeeds

chinawhite

Banned Idiot
? i didn't know it was the lastest issue because you didn't provide a link.

I found it interesting that a year ago the missile burnt up and only in this short time they actually fixed the problem(not including manufracturing the missile)

Regards,

Chinawhite
 

Red not Dead

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
How does Russia... with a $16 billion military budget produce such a new advance missiles in such a short time while China, with a $65 billion budget cant?!?!?!?!


Because the russians have a 50 year long experience still counting? While china is either buying prexisting tech or building it from scrap...
 

walter

Junior Member
Red not Dead said:
So you go for a 50 bio expense in order to counter 25 year old IRBM that aren't fully fonctionnal yet? Who are you trying to fool? Come on...Do you actually see what kind of expenses are needed in order to justify such an defence system...The richest state in the axis of evil (Iran) can barely afford it's current conventionnal programmes...:nono: .

I am not trying to fool anyone here. Look at ballistic missle development in either NK or Iran--is it going backwards?--No, they are continuously developing longer range missles. Currently, NK is developing the Taepodong-2 missle with and estimated range of 4000-5000 km, enough to reach parts of Alaska. The trend is easy to see: more countries are developing longer range, more reliable ballistic missles. Do you disagree with that?

Nowhere did I say the cost of the US NMD is worth the uncertain return, in fact I said it is most likely a losing proposition. But, if the proposed NMD system has a chance of anything, then it has a chance of stopping just a very few, relatively unsophisticated ballistic missles--exactly the tpye and numbers that so-called 'rogue nations' are projected to have in the next couple of decades. Even the people in charge of the program admit that as of today, the few ABM missles have next to 0 chance of intercepting a real BM. It will probably take about a decade before the system has decent reliablity and mission effective rates, and in about a decade, if the current trend continues, a few countries that the current and past US administrations don't like will very possibly have a BM capable of reaching mainland US, and these same countries could have by then fitted such missles with a nuclear war head. Do you agree up to this point?

Well, anyway, I still don't see how such a limited system as it is now envisioned could counter either the Russian or Chinese ballistic missle forces, and i do not believe that was its intent. Of course, I understand completely that both of those nations will react accordingly to counter the US system by deploying either more missles or missles with countermeasures or both. They should do this so they have the peace of mind that mutually assured destruction still applies for them.
 

chinawhite

Banned Idiot
China never brought any ICBM technology from russia.


What about these mythical abilities of this new missile. does this claiming mean the missile can beat a propsed ABM shield, maybe or maybe its just propaganda.

The ABM is includsive of the ABL, JSTARS and THAAD(other ones to). this new warhead is meant to stay in the astomphere and manuver around so it would be able to get targeted by these new systems. It changes it path by a small fraction and it could be 100km off target.

The US is trying to paint a picture of the ABM as being "rogue state" only but to enlarge it a little bit and china could also be included in that group

Regards,

Chinawhite
 
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walter

Junior Member
Red not Dead said:
Because the russians have a 50 year long experience still counting? While china is either buying prexisting tech or building it from scrap...

China has nearly 40 years experience and counting, not too much less than Russia or the US. The fact is, developing a countermeasure to an ABM system is orders of magnitude easier and cheaper than developing an ABM system able to actually hit BMs let alone counter new countermeasures. I am sure China is not far behind is this field, perhaps they are or will work with Russia on an ABM system of their own.
 

Eurofighter

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Re: Russian ICBM test succeeds

Red not Dead said:
It's always easier to sharpen the sword than to harden the shield.


oh yeah...I can't agree more with that. Come on, the American missle shield and its rediculous airborn lazer systems never even had a slightest chance......the best offence is the best defence!
 
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MIGleader

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Re: Russian ICBM test succeeds

This isen't no chatroom, next time someone have to moderate your oneliners, you'll get a warning!!
 
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