Russia threatens to retain Brahmos source code

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RUSSIA THREATENS TO RETAIN BrahMos SOURCE CODE
By Bulbul Singh

10 Oct 05. Russia has threatened that it will not give away the source code which will enable the supersonic Cruise missile BrahMos to be mounted on foreign made platforms, including the recently contracted French Scorpene or the Multirole Medium Range Combat Aircraft (MMRCA)which India is buying from the global market.

Sources in the Indian defense ministry say, Moscow has made it known to the Indian defense planners that there is no guarantee that it will allow India to mount the BrahMos cruise missile on third country platforms until the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR)dispute is settled.

Sources in the Indian defense ministry however say it is part of Moscow's pressure in the run up to the MMRCA procurement program of the Indian government.

India is on a global hunt for a contract worth $5bn for the procurement of 126 MMRCA for the Indian Air Force into which Russia has also fielded its MiG 29 SMT aircraft. The other contenders are Dassault of France with the Mirage 2000-5; Saab of Sweden with the Gripen; Lockheed Martin of United States with the F-16 and Boeing of United States with the F-18.

An executive of the Rosoboronoexport of Russia based in New Delhi however said, Russia is perturbed over the delay in the settlement of the IPR issue adding that it is not possible for Russia to contribute hi-tech technologies to India without much return.

The BrahMos anti-ship supersonic cruise missile is a joint development effort of India and Russia in which India's defense research agency, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)is contracted with NPOM of the Russian Federation.

The BrahMos, which is being introduced into the Indian Navy, is a 300 kilometers range supersonic anti ship cruise missile and the land and sea versions of the Cruise missiles are also being tested. The missile is one of the most potent precision guided weapons developed for the Indian armed forces in recent.

However Russia now insists that the BrahMos export, and other technological aspects including the source code, should be linked to the solving of the IPR issue which has held back further research and development between India and Russia. In fact there has been no signing of any defense contract between India and Russia since the United Progressive Alliance government came to power in May 2004.

Russia has held back the lease of a nuclear submarine, the TU-22 Backfire bomber capable of delivery nuclear weapons, and various other weapons and equipment under negotiations between India and Russia for several years.

The sticky parts of the IPR issue are the supply of spares from Russia for even erstwhile USSR-made weaponry currently with the Indian defense forces. The other issue is the up-grading of the Russian made systems by a third country. India is contemplating the upgrade of a large chunk of its USSR weapons and equipment with Western technology, a move that is not to the liking of the Russians. It is estimated that the upgrade market alone of aging USSR weapons with the Indian defense forces is around $10 to $15bn.

“The threat of Russia now allowing mounting of the BrahMos cruise missile on a third country platform is only an arms twisting policy to which Moscow often resorts,” said an Indian Army official.

However an Indian Air Force official admitted that the acquisition of BrahMos could be linked to the sale of the MIG 29SMT by the Russians.

The Mirage 2000-5 of France is the most favored aircraft within the Indian Air Force for the MMRCA. The procurement of MMRCA will however be a political decision.


So if the IAF decides to procure the Mirage or Hornet series, they won't be able to mount the Brahmos on it. And that will be a huge blow to the IAF capabilities. I wonder how this will play out.
 

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just so russian way of making busines;) (no offense!)
makes both india and china co-sufferers of jelous attitude of moscow. But then again, whit india, Russian concerns are higly arguble and understandable as India is gradually beeing 'lost' to US eager to have strong allyes in the region to confront China's growing influence...

wonder if its practical or even possiple to install BhraMoss to Scorpene class. Remember, that 70cm Bhramos isent going to be sublaunchd from 53cm TTs but from seperate VSL canister and i dont believe that the scorpene desing allows it to be installed in the timetable that New Delhi has setlet
 

MIGleader

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china and india should launch a boycott of russian weapons, since they both have alterantive sources. perhaps this will make putin rethink his sales policy
 

crazyinsane105

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MIGleader said:
china and india should launch a boycott of russian weapons, since they both have alterantive sources. perhaps this will make putin rethink his sales policy

Actually, neither have any choices. Most of India's military power (about 80%) relies on Russian/Soviet weaponry so India can't afford to boycot Russian military goods at all. For China, well, China is starting to mature quite rapidly, but most of the high tech equipment still comes from the Russians plus since the EU hasn't lifted the arms ban, China doesn't really have a second choice. Once the EU lifts the arms ban, then things will be different for China, but I don't see any change for India any time soon.
 

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crazyinsane105 said:
Actually, neither have any choices. Most of India's military power (about 80%) relies on Russian/Soviet weaponry so India can't afford to boycot Russian military goods at all. For China, well, China is starting to mature quite rapidly, but most of the high tech equipment still comes from the Russians plus since the EU hasn't lifted the arms ban, China doesn't really have a second choice. Once the EU lifts the arms ban, then things will be different for China, but I don't see any change for India any time soon.
If China stops buying from Russians, it would only have the Ukrainians left, that would be quite a narrow buyers list. India is already purchasing from other countries. Sure, China is slowly indigenizing everything. But clearly, many of the recent programs would not have completed without Russian help. Majority of 052C still uses Russian sensors. WS-10A was stuck until China studied AL-31F. The list goes on and on. I don't think the Russians would be so generous in helping out China, if China stops purchasing its equipments.
 

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You guys have any idea what this means? The Indians claimed to have made the guidance system of the Brahmos. So how is it that the Russians can claim the source code if the Indians made the guidance system? Did the Indians even MAKE the guidance system or were they lying about it this entire time?
 

MIGleader

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crazyinsane105 said:
Actually, neither have any choices. Most of India's military power (about 80%) relies on Russian/Soviet weaponry so India can't afford to boycot Russian military goods at all. For China, well, China is starting to mature quite rapidly, but most of the high tech equipment still comes from the Russians plus since the EU hasn't lifted the arms ban, China doesn't really have a second choice. Once the EU lifts the arms ban, then things will be different for China, but I don't see any change for India any time soon.

make ur own weapons!!!! if u notice, what does china need from russia anyways? its making its own gear now. and the embargo lift will be soon enough, so a boycaott isnt so bad. as for india...it always has u.s, israle, eu,
 

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MIGleader said:
make ur own weapons!!!! if u notice, what does china need from russia anyways? its making its own gear now. and the embargo lift will be soon enough, so a boycaott isnt so bad. as for india...it always has u.s, israle, eu,
I'm telling you. I wish China can stop buying from the Russians, but it still needs to cooperate with Russians on too many projects to just tell them to buzz off.

As for the Indians, they are already giving the finger to Russians. It looks like Mig-35 isn't going to be purchased and the Scorpene was purchased instead of Amur.
 

adeptitus

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If India does reduce their reliance on Russian arms, it may open an opportunity for China to fill. So far we've seen some joint Russian-Indian projects but not too many Sino-Russian ones. Like it or not Russian arms industry is still ahead of China's, so it'd be to China's benefit to fund R&D with the Russians.
 

sumdud

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If Brahmos' codes are Russian, then whose codes are on the LCA?
What about the IRTA?

(Or is this BS?)
 
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