Russia Economy Thread

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This trend of extensive composites started with B787 due peak oil from early 2000 time period. now reliability and uptime is more important. MS-21 will have to take role of wide body. It has to fly at longer and at higher cruise speed with more comfort than Tu-214.

It's functionally impossible. Check, say, (critical) Moscow Beijing line alone.
Just won't work.

When Soviet Union entered the Cold War with in full force (late 1950s)- sure, there were IICBMs, space program, iron curtain, soviet merchant marine and soviet navy. But just as important was civilian long haul.

Tu-114 was one of the symbols, but equally it was a prerequisite of great power thing. Russia is no different.
If a country wants to struggle with the west while relying on China, India, Middle East, Africa and SEA - it has to be able to reach them, comfortably, at scale and efficiently.

If chinese businessmen will have to reach Moscow on dog sleds - they'll probably look elsewhere first.

 

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Russia is not Soviet Union infact It is complete opposite more than any other country so product it develops reflect that reality.
They mentioned MS21 wide-body comfort level and most of distance to eastern Chinese cities is 6,000 km. so any version with 8000 to 9000km already cover it. 4,600km can be covered by Sukhoi SJ which has even higher speed and comparable comfort with A320.
This time they want to have competition with Kazan. We have to see how far they develop Tu-214. Russian government uses Tu-214 for long distance flights.

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December 19, 2025, 8:38 AM

Rostec names the MS-21's advantages over its foreign competitors.​

"A significant advantage of the MC-21 is its high level of passenger comfort, thanks to its wider fuselage compared to the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320. For the first time in its class, the aircraft has reached a level of comfort only available to wide-body airliners: it has a more spacious aisle, larger overhead bins, and larger windows," Rostec explained.

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March 16, 2009, 3:53 PM

Kazan aircraft manufacturers have created the medium-haul Tu-214 airliner with a record-breaking flight range of over 10,000 km.​

"No other aircraft in this class in the world has such a range; the basic model's range of 7,200 km has been exceeded by 50%," the adviser emphasized. "This success was achieved through the joint efforts of the development team, Tupolev, and the manufacturer, KAPO." Moreover, according to Kireyev, the record distance was achieved with the same engine, not by reducing the aircraft's weight, but by "improving its aerodynamic properties."

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A domestic autopilot has successfully completed tests on a Superjet 100 aircraft.​

 

[Gloire_bb]

Russia is not Soviet Union infact It is complete opposite more than any other country so product it develops reflect that reality.
They mentioned MS21 wide-body comfort level and most of distance to eastern Chinese cities is 6,000 km. so any version with 8000 to 9000km already cover it.

I.e. even the single most important long haul flight for Russia right now(even for China there are also Shanghai, Guangzhou/Shenzhen/HK) is beyond what's reasonable for MS both in range and internal capacity(2x2 flights per day, soon to be 3x2).
Add further, equally important locations - and it just doesn't make sense.

Since the day when western leasers cut their contracts with Russiian airlines, there's literally no choice - presense of such airliner for Russia is a basic requirement going into 2030s. Right now it works on existing aircraft and international airlines - but this can't last forever.

 

[pmc]

I didnot said current version of MS-21 is capable. but next versions MS-21-500/600 will be for this capability. there is smaller version they also creating. The point i am making if Speed and comfort approach wide Body there is no point in creating extra large aircraft.

Tu-214 with time increased its range decades ago. Tu-214R/SR/PU/PM are among the most sophisticated planes in Russian aviation industry. long loitering times. Even the smaller Tu-204 from Roscosmos routinely goes South.

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[Gloire_bb]

I didnot said current version of MS-21 is capable. but next versions MS-21-500/600 will be for this capability. there is smaller version they also creating. The point i am making if Speed and comfort approach wide Body there is no point in creating extra large aircraft.

Ah, these. But 500/600 can't be anything but wide body. Numbers refer to length class after all.

 

[pmc]

look at passenger numbers. 240 to 260. they are trying to build intermediate size planes. aka Boeing 797 but with long range. This info about MS-21-500 was released before they made claim that current MS-21-310 meets wide body comfort.
Russia also working on Supersonic aircraft that will make ticket available not only for First Class passenger but business class also. if such plane succesful. there is no need for oversize wide body planes.

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December 26, 2025, 7:30 AM

The Second Coming, or No Need to Clap: Are Supersonic Passenger Jets Making a Comeback?​

Strizh: Russia's first technological swallow​

As reported to TASS by the press service of the National Research Center "Zhukovsky Institute", the center is currently working on a supersonic civil aircraft as part of the integrated scientific and technological project "Supersonic Aircraft with a Low Environmental Impact" (KNTP "SGS"). The development is being carried out under government contracts concluded with the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation. Leading Russian specialized institutes that are part of the center are participating in this work: the N.Ye. Zhukovsky Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI), the P.I. Baranov Central Institute of Aviation Motors (TsIAM), the State Research Institute of Aviation Systems (GosNIIAS), the S.A. Chaplygin Siberian Research Institute of Aviation (SibNIA), and the L.K. Safronov State Scientific Test Range of Aviation Systems (GkNIPAS). The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and the United Engine Corporation (UEC) are also participating in the work.
"The work is aimed at creating a scientific and technological foundation for a high level of technology readiness (HLT), including the creation and testing of technology demonstrators close to full-scale objects, one of which is the flight demonstrator of the SGS Strizh technology complex (DKT Strizh)," the press service added.

"Supertech Set"​

As the center explained, the SGS developers are seeking compromises between the required aerodynamics of the future aircraft, weight efficiency, and environmental constraints. One promising area is new design solutions, particularly the use of polymer composite materials. This could not only reduce weight but also improve flight safety thanks to integrated condition monitoring and predictive diagnostic systems.

The use of neural network algorithms will allow for maximum automation of aircraft control functions at all stages of flight, while halving the workload on pilots by automating typical (routine) operations and providing recommendations to the crew.

Research Center "Institute named after N.E. Zhukovsky"
"By implementing our scientific advances in the form of intelligent aircraft control technologies in the future GSS, most tasks can be accomplished without human intervention in the control loop, implementing the concept of automatic control 'from the departure terminal to the arrival terminal,'" added the N.E. Zhukovsky Institute Research Center. "The pilot will be present in the cockpit as a controller or decision maker, thus ensuring the required level of flight safety."

"The SGS is not just a next-generation aircraft of this class, but a set of super-technologies," the center's press service told TASS.
It is planned that the bulk of passenger traffic will be made up of passengers currently flying on subsonic business and first class aircraft. Accordingly, the passenger capacity of future SGSs will be significantly smaller than that of subsonic long-haul passenger aircraft.