Reports of Isreali F-16 shot down in Lebanon

sumdud

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My 2 cents.

Was that a missile fired?
Seems so to me.
Was a F-16 shot down?
Seems like another type of plane was shot down.
I kind of doubt a F-16 would explode like so with just a MANPADS. and its small warhead. Also, that descend was rather quick.........Drone would make sense........F-16? No way.
 
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Well that tape wont proove anyhting. First there's a flaming object falling in the ground. Then there's a huge fire burning on the ground. Then there is a tube of some sort, badly damaged but not anyway near of the level that would been if it had been in the centre of that fire storm. The vegetables near by weren't damaged at all and the surrounding seemed pretty intact too (at least if there was a fire).

So those three incidents might be totally unrelated, at least the first (falling from the sky) and the last(damaged tube) are certainly not from the same incidence. So mystery remains unsolved.
 
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IDF: ‘Plane downed in Lebanon’ – long-range missile

Army estimates ‘IAF jet seen crashing in Lebanon’ was actually long-range Zelzal missile fired accidentally after warplanes struck launching device
Hanan Greenberg

IDF sources estimate Monday that the “downed Israel Air Force jet seen falling from Beirut’s skies" was actually a Zelzal-type long-range missile, which is capable of reaching central Israel.

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IDF: Reports of IAF jet crash near Beirut false / Ali Waked
(VIDEO) Lebanese, Arab media report plane crashed in east of Lebanese capital; IDF denies reports. On Friday, Hizbullah surprises Navy by hitting missile boat, Nasrallah promises 'more surprises'
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According to army sources, the Air Force struck a missile launching device, and as a result one rocket was accidentally fired but landed nearby.
Earlier Hizbullah's television station and other media in the Arab world reported that an Israel Air Force aircraft crashed in eastern Beirut, in an area called al-Warwar.
The al-Jazeera network aired a short film showing the "crash" – a ball of fire quickly falling into buildings, leaving behind trail of smoke.

IDF officials said following a short inquiry that all aircrafts were safe.

Initially military officials raised the possibility that it was a box carrying leaflets which failed to open and fell down, a Hizbullah missile or "another internal incident."
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Well since both Israelis and Hezbollah denied jet being shot down this could be truth… It seams that Hezbollah received ballistic missiles from Iran; Zelzal is based on FROG missile family…
 
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I am with Golli on this one. No disrespect Isthvan, but I am taking all media reports with a pinch of salt.

Obviously I do not speak Arabic so could not follow the commentary. If we can assume that the falling object on the video sparked the fire, then I noticed that the metal tube was lying within a short distance of a (presumably the same) Black smoke column.

That being the case, could the tube be the remains of the AA Missile which downed the burning object? It looked simlar to other remains of scuds (allbeit smaller) fired into Isreal during the first gulf war.
 
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SampanViking said:
I am with Golli on this one. No disrespect Isthvan, but I am taking all media reports with a pinch of salt.

Obviously I do not speak Arabic so could not follow the commentary. If we can assume that the falling object on the video sparked the fire, then I noticed that the metal tube was lying within a short distance of a (presumably the same) Black smoke column.

That being the case, could the tube be the remains of the AA Missile which downed the burning object? It looked simlar to other remains of scuds (allbeit smaller) fired into Isreal during the first gulf war.
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No problem; I also don’t trust media reports to much – they have tendency to report any speculation without checkup… I posted this because article implies that Hezbollah poses ballistic missiles and this would mean that they have weapon whit enough range to cover much larger portion of Israeli territory then any one assumed…

I still have some doubts about what exactly Hezbollah shot down but I would assume that if they shoot down any valuable Israeli asset footage of wreckage would be shown on every TV station whit reporters in the area…
 
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Point taken about the Ballistic Missiles, although I am surprised not to hear that once again our plucky UK Police Officers, based of Cyprus are not once again a prime target for Mid East Lunatics (If you did not hear Mr Blair justify the war on Saddam you will not get this;) )

Regarding what was hit, if we assume that something was hit and that everybody is telling the truth, then maybe it was "something" that belonged to "somebody else" who is rather reticent to puting up their hand and asking for their ball back.

Sorry - I just love a good conspiracy theory
 
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It was said that this was a misfired Zelzal missile. Also today there were reports of IAF destroying Zelzal launchers.

If anyone is going to correct the spelling on that I don't care it's an arabic word being translated to fit with english letters :)
 
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