Remember vincient chin

It is the Communist party in China that prevents change in the culture not the culture itself.

As long as people are being beaten down by the system for criticizing the actions of people in power or the powerful than nothing will change.

I am not just talking just about the National party but the Local party who abuses people for their own personal benefit (Enviroment, Labor, and Reproduction).

The National party actively obstructs criticism of any one who has power.

Do you think the US Civil rights Campaign in the south would have had a chance if we had a Federal Government like the Communist Government?

Would you like to live under the Communist system Infra Man99?

You are all relying on the same bass instinct for revenge that Motivated those men in that bar to beat Vinceint to death when you are Criticising the US justice System.

cmb=1968 said:

It is the Communist party in China that prevents change in the culture not the culture itself.

As long as people are being beaten down by the system for criticizing the actions of people in power or the powerful than nothing will change.

I am not just talking just about the National party but the Local party who abuses people for their own personal benefit (Enviroment, Labor, and Reproduction).

The National party actively obstructs criticism of any one who has power.

Do you think the US Civil rights Campaign in the south would have had a chance if we had a Federal Government like the Communist Government?

Would you like to live under the Communist system Infra Man99?

You are all relying on the same bass instinct for revenge that Motivated those men in that bar to beat Vinceint to death when you are Criticising the US justice System.

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Yeah right, and the reflexive partisanship of any political issue in the US is just so useful for change, eh?

Let me just let you know that ethnic minorities receive BETTER privileges than the Han majority in China. So a civil rights campaign wouldn't even have been needed in China under the Communist Government. In fact, where the West took decades to give women equality, Mao did this overnight.

Are you honestly saying the US justice system did not fail massively in the case of Vincent Chin?

And finally, I would LOVE to go live in China (and hence under the Communist government) if it was economically feasible.

solarz said:

Yeah right, and the reflexive partisanship of any political issue in the US is just so useful for change, eh?

Let me just let you know that ethnic minorities receive BETTER privileges than the Han majority in China. So a civil rights campaign wouldn't even have been needed in China under the Communist Government. In fact, where the West took decades to give women equality, Mao did this overnight.

Are you honestly saying the US justice system did not fail massively in the case of Vincent Chin?

And finally, I would LOVE to go live in China (and hence under the Communist government) if it was economically feasible.

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Yes I am it served him just fine.

The SYSTEM IS NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT IT IS ABOUT JUSTICE AND THE RULE OF LAW. IT IS NOT THE SYSTEMS FAULT THAT THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AND GAVE THE DEFENSE A GIFT RAPPED CASE!!!!!!!
ARE SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ABOUT BEATING PEOPLE DOWN IT IS MEANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE AT LARGE FROM BEING RAIL ROAD ED BY A ARBITRARY SYSTEM LIKE THAY HAVE UNDER THE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT.

cmb=1968 said:

Yes I am it served him just fine.

The SYSTEM IS NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT IT IS ABOUT JUSTICE AND THE RULE OF LAW. IT IS NOT THE SYSTEMS FAULT THAT THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR WAS ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL AND GAVE THE DEFENSE A GIFT RAPPED CASE!!!!!!!
ARE SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ABOUT BEATING PEOPLE DOWN IT IS MEANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE AT LARGE FROM BEING RAIL ROAD ED BY ARBITRARY SYSTEM LIKE THAY HAVE UNDER THE COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT.

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Okay dude, so you're saying that it's perfectly fine for someone to be given a 3 year sentence and a 3000$ fine for KILLING A HUMAN BEING???

If you think that's justice, then you have just demonstrated *WHY* the US justice system is screwed up.

solarz said:

Okay dude, so you're saying that it's perfectly fine for someone to be given a 3 year sentence and a 3000$ fine for KILLING A HUMAN BEING???

If you think that's justice, then you have just demonstrated *WHY* the US justice system is screwed up.

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If the Prosecutor can't be bothered to try their case to best of their ability or is just incompetent that 3000$ fine is just fine.

Unlike in the PRC we have the right to protest bad government which is why it will be difficult for that to happen again here in the United States.

The notion that the people can't protest about the government is no longer true in China. You are free to do so, and even Wen Jiabao played around with the net at one time to allow people ask him questions. Of course he didn't answer everything, and some were filtered. But either way, there's improvement, and overall the entire system is slowly yet gradually improving. People are allowed to criticize, but just depend on what they're saying. Also, it's the fact what the official receives and how far up it gets relayed at the annual congress meeting. Another thing will be corruption. It's a combination of greed and corruption in those who are unfit to be officials, who are very arbituary and abusive. Since many of these people are in a system that has a lot of loopholes for these people, that makes things worse. Pretty much to sum it up, it has to do with a combination of the flawed system and the corruption. Either way though, things are already improving, and it's important we be knowledgeable and understand how the system goes if we have to mention it.

Either way, isn't we a bit off topic? It's getting pretty political.
And also cmb=1968, I don't believe the US system is that just neither. If take let's say, the prosecuted, to be another very notorious killer or more famed criminal such as O.J Simpson, or Timothy from Oklahoma Bombing, do you think the court case would've even went on if the prosecutor didn't show up? Especially lacking a prosecutor can mean lack of fair trial? No offense, but the truth is, the system that time DON'T GIVE A FARN about the issue. Also, if you really think the case is properly received if only depended on the lawsuit, then your sense of justice is greatly confined to legal actions and its results. "If they gave them 3 years, then that means 3 years is fine. If they gave them capital punishment, then that means they must deserve it." That, my friend, is NOT justice. Doing the right thing is not limited to only lawful actions, but on the circumstances of the situations and acting appropiately. And also, if the prosecutor didn't show up and the court proceeded without one, does that make the system so fine as you've described? Also, with homicide in a case like this, how does it fit 3 years and $3000 fine is acceptable regardless of the court situation? Especially it was an attempted murder at the very least, not to mention hate crime? So landing 2 racist men with history of alcoholism and attempted murder with a bat, in jail for 3 years and $3000 fine, is an ACCEPTABLE sentence, because of the incomplete representation of the court at the time? And what you have said is also very wrong in accords to perceptions of justice. What you've described seemed to define the sentence is based on performance during court, not actually addressing the hate issue and the evil behind it. Also, why do you think the entire Asian population is angry?
And if they are as effective as you have said, how about issues such as Iraq War? US military prison tortures and abuses? Bybee Memorandum and the Bush Six? Dismissing US military personnel's misconducts all over the globe(murders, rapes)?

ravenshield936 said:

The notion that the people can't protest about the government is no longer true in China. You are free to do so, and even Wen Jiabao played around with the net at one time to allow people ask him questions. Of course he didn't answer everything, and some were filtered. But either way, there's improvement, and overall the entire system is slowly yet gradually improving. People are allowed to criticize, but just depend on what they're saying.
(murders, rapes)?

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"People are allowed to criticize, but just depend on what they're syaing"
this is free speech in china sounds more like don't piss off the wrong person to me.

It was not me who brought politics in to this thread it was every one ellse who started impinging the US justice system and the Rule Of law.

cmb=1968 said:

If the Prosecutor can't be bothered to try their case to best of their ability or is just incompetent that 3000$ fine is just fine.

Unlike in the PRC we have the right to protest bad government which is why it will be difficult for that to happen again here in the United States.

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Thank you for proving my point yet again. You think that it's "justice" for murderers to get only a slap on the wrist because the legal system dropped the ball.

In case you haven't realized, crown prosecutors are part of the justice system!

solarz said:

Thank you for proving my point yet again. You think that it's "justice" for murderers to get only a slap on the wrist because the legal system dropped the ball.

In case you haven't realized, crown prosecutors are part of the justice system!

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How many time do I have do say this When a incompetent Prosecutor Fucks up a case they can't be surprised when the defendant gets off or gets a slap on the wrist.

I don't want to live in a system where the Government can through Justice out of the window when it suits them, and I will not leave the country I love I will fight to save it even if I have to were out my computer keyboard and my fingers tips start to bleed.

I LIVE IN THE UNITES STATES NOT CANADA OR ENGLAND!!!