Reassessing China's War of Resistance

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Lavi

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At least in the Finnish army who used the same grenades they where called potato mashers, don't konw if other countries used the same nickname as well.
 

adeptitus

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Lavi said:
How come Germany trained an army to fight their Japanese allies? Anyone got any more on this one? Equipment, when & where they where trained, what they did during the war, and so on...

Many of the early KMT/ROC founders were very pro-German. Dr. Sun himself was impressed at German's social welfare program (Germany was the first EU nation to have national social security, health care, disability insurance, etc).

During the brief period of Gemran military assistance to China, they trained 400,000 to 600,000 (numbers disputed) infantry and helped the ROC to establish its first armored force. Besides the funny stormtrooper helmets, the ROC military also imported items such as the German 88mm dual-use guns, and acquired local manufacturing rights to make copies of some German small arms.

The first battle that the German-trained divisions were committed to was the Battle of Shanghai. Historians would later fault Chiang for sending his troops into a hopeless situation instead of retreating, but Chiang wanted to show the world that his troops could indeed fight the Japanese. So he ordered the 8th, 9th, 14th, 15th, 17th, & 19th group armies to defend Shanghai at any cost.

The total number of nationalist armed forces committed to Shanghai has been estimated at anywhere from 400,000 to 600,000+. Because the defenders included not only regular central army units, but also local divisions and "peace and preservation corps" plus volunteers, the numbers are quite muddled. They managed to hold off the Japanese for 3 months at the cost of 100,000 to 200,000 casualties. The Japanese lost 60,000 to 70,000 casualties.
 

DPRKUnderground

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adeptitus said:
Many of the early KMT/ROC founders were very pro-German. Dr. Sun himself was impressed at German's social welfare program (Germany was the first EU nation to have national social security, health care, disability insurance, etc).

During the brief period of Gemran military assistance to China, they trained 400,000 to 600,000 (numbers disputed) infantry and helped the ROC to establish its first armored force. Besides the funny stormtrooper helmets, the ROC military also imported items such as the German 88mm dual-use guns, and acquired local manufacturing rights to make copies of some German small arms.

The first battle that the German-trained divisions were committed to was the Battle of Shanghai. Historians would later fault Chiang for sending his troops into a hopeless situation instead of retreating, but Chiang wanted to show the world that his troops could indeed fight the Japanese. So he ordered the 8th, 9th, 14th, 15th, 17th, & 19th group armies to defend Shanghai at any cost.

The total number of nationalist armed forces committed to Shanghai has been estimated at anywhere from 400,000 to 600,000+. Because the defenders included not only regular central army units, but also local divisions and "peace and preservation corps" plus volunteers, the numbers are quite muddled. They managed to hold off the Japanese for 3 months at the cost of 100,000 to 200,000 casualties. The Japanese lost 60,000 to 70,000 casualties.

I was reading in the Rape of Nanking, when the Japanese were landing in Shanghai, they found a surprise! An 88 gun battery at the shore. The Japanese lost 700 men b/c of that including the Princess's nephew!
 

dlhh

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Talking of the rape of nanking, I was in Tokyo in Yakusuni Shrine and saw that they actually celebrated the capture of Nanking with photos of Japanese soldiers raising their weapons in truimph.

I thought it was so provocative as the rape of nanking is a proven fact, only the numbers of victims is disputed.

The Japanese came out with the 3 NOs in their policy after the war- no compenastion, admittance of guilt and apology.

They later apologised but refused to compesate or admit any wrongdoing.
 

Gollevainen

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No need to dig out almoust 4 years old threads, exspecially of those of flamable ingrediences like this one.

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