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Wuhun

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China made historic breakthrough, and sets world record in quantum computing algorithms.
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Another team at USTC made breakthrough in spin quantum computing.
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On the algorithm paper, it has huge cryptography and military implication, and due to this some key part of the research were unpublished. To scale this research they'd probably need tens of billions of yuan i.e. state funding, and advanced logic chips.
 
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They have now developed the first laser annealing instrument dedicated to the production of quantum chips. I don't know what they are still importing from abroad. Given the geopolitical sensitivity surrounding quantum computer R&D, they will definitely need to rely on just Chinese machines for production. At this pace, Origin Quantum will get put on the entity list soon enough.

So they have the non-destructive probe to detect defects and then use laser annealing instrument to fix them.
I think this English article describes the same thing.
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Some news from the USG and Biden administration that aims to improve cybersecurity anticipating the arrival of quantum computers:

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The first article predicts ‘Q Day’, the point at which quantum computers are able to break existing cryptographic algorithms, as possible in 5-10 years.

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Currently, The U.S. Quantum Computing Cybersecurity Preparedness Act "is more of a reminder than a regulation".
 

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Computer security experts were struggling this week to assess a startling claim by Chinese researchers that they have found a way to break the most common form of online encryption using the current generation of quantum computers, years before the technology was expected to pose a threat.

The method, outlined in a
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published in late December, could be used to break the RSA algorithm that underpins most online encryption using a quantum machine with only 372 qubits — or quantum bits, a basic unit of quantum computing — according to the claims from 24 researchers from a number of academic bodies and state laboratories.
IBM has already said that its 433 qubit Osprey system, the most powerful quantum computer to have been publicly unveiled, will be made available to its customers early this year.

If correct, the research would mark a significant moment in the history of computer security, said Roger Grimes, a computer security expert and author.

“It’s a huge claim,” he said. “It would mean that governments could crack other governments secrets. If it’s true — a big if — it would be a secret like out of the movies, and one of the biggest things ever in computer science.”
Other experts said that while the theory outlined in the research paper appeared sound, trying to apply it in practice could well be beyond the reach of today’s
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“As far as I can tell, the paper isn’t wrong,” said Peter Shor, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology scientist whose 1994 algorithm proving that a quantum machine could defeat online encryption helped to trigger a research boom in quantum computing. Shor’s method requires machines with many hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of qubits, something that many experts believe is a decade or more away.

Shor added, however, that the Chinese researchers had “failed to address how fast the algorithm will run”, and said that it was possible it “will still take millions of years”. He said: “In the absence of any analysis showing that it will be faster, I suspect that the most likely scenario is that it’s not much of an improvement.”

The latest research paper is the second time in less than a year that the field of computer security has been jolted by claims that online encryption was in imminent danger of being broken. German mathematician Claus-Peter Schnorr published an algorithm last year that he said was a far more efficient way to factor large prime numbers — central to breaking the RSA code — potentially putting it within reach of traditional, or “classical” computers. But it turned out that Schnorr’s technique could not be scaled up to work as needed to challenge the RSA algorithm.

The latest research paper claims to make up for the gap in Schnorr’s research by using a quantum computer to speed up the part of the calculation he was unable to solve. It highlights the use of hybrid techniques that combine quantum and classical systems, the current focus of much of the work that is going on to find practical uses for quantum machines.

The Chinese researchers said they had used their algorithm to factor a number with 48 bits on a quantum computer with 10 qubits, but that they had not had the chance to try to scale it up to work on a much bigger system.
Computer security expert Bruce Schneier said that the paper had left open the question of whether the technique would work in practice.

“We have no empirical proof that the [new] quantum algorithm overcomes the Schnorr scaling problem,” he said. “There’s no reason to believe it won’t — but there’s no reason to believe it will.” He added that quantum systems had already reached the scale outlined by the researchers, meaning that their claims could be put to the test very soon.
Even if the research claim proved unfounded, Schneier said it highlights a race to find a way to break encryption using quantum computers far earlier than many had expected. “The betting is, as in all these cases, breaking RSA won’t work,” he said. “But some day that bet will be wrong.”
 

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“We have no empirical proof that the [new] quantum algorithm overcomes the Schnorr scaling problem,” he said. “There’s no reason to believe it won’t — but there’s no reason to believe it will.” He added that quantum systems had already reached the scale outlined by the researchers, meaning that their claims could be put to the test very soon.
Even if the research claim proved unfounded, Schneier said it highlights a race to find a way to break encryption using quantum computers far earlier than many had expected. “The betting is, as in all these cases, breaking RSA won’t work,” he said. “But some day that bet will be wrong.”

I am going to grab my tin foil hat, because I was never infected with American paranoia, and speculate that the Chinese are at the verge or perhaps already broken this.

“There’s no reason to believe it won’t — but there’s no reason to believe it will.”

A statement like this, from a leading computer scientist, means they do not know. They do not know what they are doing, because they are not doing it.

It means, it was not even imagined.

While the Chinese actually wrote a paper on it.

So what did the Chinese really know? Are they holding back something in this paper? That photonic quantum computer had demonstrated improvements, and that thing was obviously scalable.

Time to put on that tin foil hat!

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Okay, this is what I think I remember.

The original experiment with the photonic quantum computer by Pan Jianwei team, that was demonstrated at 132 qubits that was observed.

A year later, roughly speaking, they published the results of another experiment that showed improvements, and 177 qubits were measured. Also, their findings were that they realized just adding 1 more qubits is kind of like having an exponential effect.

Not an expert, but I can count, and have some rudimentary understanding of it.

The key point is the measuring instruments. After the first few experiments, they can probably figure out how to improve those tools, to fire the photon and track the photons. So we have to expect some improvement there.

Now, we get to the part where we learn to count. If they were able to get 177 qubits a year ago, and this thing the photonic quantum computer is scalable, and if there were any improvements at all in those measuring tools, then we do not need our tin foil hat anymore, because we can count.

Gasp!

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Okay, now I am going to put on my tin foil hat again.

Suppose there is sort of quantum computer and regular computer fusion, a quantum-classical fusion.

I do not know too much about encryption algorithms. I have heard that if you zip your file 15 times, that is a strong encryption. Not sure how true that it. It does drive home a point about encryption.

Encryption today for computers, is not a random process, it is just a process that requires a lot of computer power to break. Too many combinations is the point there I suppose. Too many combinations for a classical computer to break, in a reasonable amount of time.

Suppose the quantum computer can breakdown this problem into smaller bits that allow the classical computer to break? So we have this quantum-classical fusion.

I have heard the best way to break a password is a brute force dictionary attack.

What I am asking, and of course none of us have the answer, what if this quantum computer can actually break the algorithm? If that is broken, or getting closer to know what that is about, then maybe get the classical computer to do the rest?

How to break an algorithm? Would we use AI for example?
Would AI run faster on a quantum computer?

Very curious stuff.

Tin foil hat, man!

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"Quantum Chip Laser Scalpel" was born in Hefei

  A few days ago, it was learned from the Quantum Computing Engineering Research Center of Anhui Province that the first domestic MLLAS-100 laser annealing instrument (referred to as "laser annealing instrument") dedicated to the production of quantum chips has been successfully developed, which can solve the process instability when the number of bits of quantum chips increases. Factors, like a "scalpel", accurately remove the "flaws" in the quantum chip, enhance the performance of the quantum chip when it expands to multiple bits, thereby further improving the yield rate of the quantum chip.

  It is understood that the laser annealing instrument is completely independently developed by Hefei Benyuan Quantum Computing Technology Co., Ltd., which can achieve ultra-high positioning accuracy of hundreds of nanometers. The frequency parameter solves the problem of bit frequency crowding in multi-bit expansion, and helps quantum chips expand to multi-digit numbers.

  "During the production process of quantum chips, we use the non-destructive probe instrument of quantum chips to discover the advantages and disadvantages of quantum chips. For the 'bad products' and 'defective products', we use laser annealing equipment to deal with the existing problems. Just like Like a doctor performing surgery, this 'scalpel' can 'prescribe the right medicine' and improve the 'bad' parts, thereby improving the quality of the quantum chip." Dr. Jia Zhilong, deputy director of the Quantum Computing Engineering Research Center of Anhui Province, said that the previously released quantum chip is non-destructive. Both the probe instrument and this quantum chip laser annealing instrument belong to the quantum chip industrial master machine. The former finds problems, and the latter solves them. They cooperate with each other to produce higher quality quantum chips.

  According to Guo Guoping, a professor at the University of Science and Technology of China, quantum computers are a national weapon with important strategic value. An important parameter representing the capability level of a quantum computer is its number of qubits. The higher the number of qubits, the stronger its computing power.

  "In order to solve the problem of multi-bit quantum chip production in higher-bit quantum computers, we independently developed this equipment." Jia Zhilong said that this laser annealing machine has two laser annealing methods, positive and negative, which can be used during the production process. Flexible adjustment of key parameters of qubits in multi-bit superconducting quantum chips. At the same time, the equipment can also be used in the fields of semiconductor integrated circuit chips, local modification of material surfaces, etc., and it has been put into use in the first quantum chip production line in China.

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China made historic breakthrough, and sets world record in quantum computing algorithms.
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Another team at USTC made breakthrough in spin quantum computing.
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On the algorithm paper, it has huge cryptography and military implication, and due to this some key part of the research were unpublished. To scale this research they'd probably need tens of billions of yuan i.e. state funding, and advanced logic chips.

Reporters are lazy, and often not that bright.

I wonder if they read your post, and published that FT article.

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