TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
As you just pointed out the M406 is intended for a underbarrel launcher the 30 and 35mm are primarily for a mounted auto launcher. And for the record it was mostly phased out for the M433 High explosive Dual Purpose round.
The XM29 fired 1 type of round the XM1018 it only did one job High Explosive Air Burst. it had 2 warheads a battery and electronics It was not intended to do other jobs
The XM25 had more rounds ready but it was not firing one multifunction round, It had 6 types of rounds the XM1019 High Explosive Air bursting, The XM1047 black, the XM1049 AP round, The XM1050 training round, the XM1051 Target Practice - Spotter (TP-S), The XM1060 Thermobaric round.
First in Vietnam there are only 2 recorded incidents. Mostly it's just BS. second both incidents happened inside the wire the first was when a Grenade was thrown into the Company office the second was the Officer Billet in both case places where the intended victim would not be likely to be wearing a flak jacket. The Australians also had an incident like this and Again well the victim was asleep. In Iraq there 2 another two of this type again well the Soldiers were asleep or in a location where armor would likely not have been worn. And such cases do not get looked on kindly They are prosecuted.
When this happens it's premeditated so the killer does it when he feels there is no chance of his victim surviving.
By contrast there are a number of incidents where US Soldiers have placed themselves over hand grenades with a Kevlar helmet or flak vest and lived to tell the tale.
The problem for the 20mm round of a OICW is it's so small. Grenade rounds are a compromise They give up the explosive power of a traditionally rifle fire grenade for range and accuracy. The Hand grenade used by US forces in the Vietnam war was the M26 it had a 5.75 oz Comp B charge. That charge would be almost double the weight of the whole round of a 20mm Air bursting round complete with case propellent and primer. farther mre you consider we are talking about events almost 60 years ago now, Soft armor has improved. IT's not perfect but improved.
Concussive
Quit putting words in my mouth. I am saying that chances are the small yield vs modern armor with better fragmentation protection means that the 20mm shell is less likely to be as lethal vs a large system of same destination. That's why the US moved to 25mm fr it's XM25 because they deemed the 20mm not effective enough.
you Cherry picked a round that matched your wanting. The M406 against unarmored targets is fine for what it was intended to do, Since then the 40mm round has continued to evolve with any number of options. if you pick one round and restrict yourself to that then yeah it will be antiquated.
??? What are you talking about?
The XM29 fired 1 type of round the XM1018 it only did one job High Explosive Air Burst. it had 2 warheads a battery and electronics It was not intended to do other jobs
The XM25 had more rounds ready but it was not firing one multifunction round, It had 6 types of rounds the XM1019 High Explosive Air bursting, The XM1047 black, the XM1049 AP round, The XM1050 training round, the XM1051 Target Practice - Spotter (TP-S), The XM1060 Thermobaric round.
Answer They give up the same amount of space as the 20mm even if they did add a bit more you still have a larger shell in which they sit. and by the way again a single function this is not like a Tank shell or bomb that can flex mission because they have the weight and size to get away with it. This is a single function round. It Airbursts or It AP's IT impact explodes or it Smokes not because there is some magical switch that changes its job but because it was designed that way.
Wow There is a whole heap of Stinking BS here.
First in Vietnam there are only 2 recorded incidents. Mostly it's just BS. second both incidents happened inside the wire the first was when a Grenade was thrown into the Company office the second was the Officer Billet in both case places where the intended victim would not be likely to be wearing a flak jacket. The Australians also had an incident like this and Again well the victim was asleep. In Iraq there 2 another two of this type again well the Soldiers were asleep or in a location where armor would likely not have been worn. And such cases do not get looked on kindly They are prosecuted.
When this happens it's premeditated so the killer does it when he feels there is no chance of his victim surviving.
By contrast there are a number of incidents where US Soldiers have placed themselves over hand grenades with a Kevlar helmet or flak vest and lived to tell the tale.
The problem for the 20mm round of a OICW is it's so small. Grenade rounds are a compromise They give up the explosive power of a traditionally rifle fire grenade for range and accuracy. The Hand grenade used by US forces in the Vietnam war was the M26 it had a 5.75 oz Comp B charge. That charge would be almost double the weight of the whole round of a 20mm Air bursting round complete with case propellent and primer. farther mre you consider we are talking about events almost 60 years ago now, Soft armor has improved. IT's not perfect but improved.
Concussive
Quit putting words in my mouth. I am saying that chances are the small yield vs modern armor with better fragmentation protection means that the 20mm shell is less likely to be as lethal vs a large system of same destination. That's why the US moved to 25mm fr it's XM25 because they deemed the 20mm not effective enough.
