tanlixiang28776
Junior Member
That is highly likely as they need to test our currently armed soldiers against possible western troops.
QTS-11 OICW. 5.8 mm Heavy and 20 mm Air Burst.
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That is highly likely as they need to test our currently armed soldiers against possible western troops.
MwRYum
Major
Most likely that's the Type 99 pattern, which imitates the US ERDL pattern, by what I've read this was taken at least 2 years ago...
So most probably this is taken by factory's own testers who only can get the older pattern uniforms or gears, or this model was even earlier, a picture posted by PLA soldiers evaluating the model at time before the Type 07 uniform was released.
And I don't think it's officially sanctioned yet, more likely factory-initiated parallel research effort to keep at par with the current trend of technology outside China, not that the PLA had issued a tender for something like that to be adopted by the armed forces (though not saying they'd not be enticed to try out some new toys on invitation). If it has to be accepted into service, the gun would've to go through the "torture chambers" at official test facility, which claimed can simulate conditions even foreign-made guns would falter.
So I'd incline to say it's factory's effort to garner potential buyer's interest, like what's with the 5.8mm bolt action sniper rifle. Export is not that likely, since those who'd have the dollars for OICW would have the capability to develop their own system.
Now for the weapon itself, it makes sense to build upon the Type 03 because there's simply no headroom on the Type 95 to do such thing. As for the integrated FCS, that's a big unknown.
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Err are you talking about the third picture down? All of those apart from the first two are of the US Army's XM-29 OICW...
SteelBird
Colonel
The Chinese characters in the two pix are clearly simplified. Somebody posted this link above . But I don't agree with the third pix and on because they are apparently a different gun.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Third fourth and fifth photos are old SABR AKA OICW promos They even have the old American/HK markings. the first and second the ones of interest.
First things first.
the Xm29 suffered due too three issues first it's weight, second lack of explosive power. the 20mm shell is very small and even with the larger 25x40mm of the current Xm25 ( in field service Us Army Afghanistan under the Nickname " The Punisher") is questioned in terms of lethality.
So lets start off with the questions we need answered.
First Is this real or like most the OICW Promo A set of Goals?
If real How did the Chinese solve the weight issues?
second Is the grenade launcher semiautomatic or bolt action Repeater? The American Xm29 was semi auto the cost was a weight penalty, the K11 is bolt action this saved on weight by not having too build in a gas operation.
Third what is the Magazine capacity? the Xm29 was a 5 shot grenade launcher with 30 round 5.56mm for the carbine component. the K11 is 6 shot 20mm with a 30 round carbine. the carbine is probably a 30 round but the launcher?
First things first.
the Xm29 suffered due too three issues first it's weight, second lack of explosive power. the 20mm shell is very small and even with the larger 25x40mm of the current Xm25 ( in field service Us Army Afghanistan under the Nickname " The Punisher") is questioned in terms of lethality.
So lets start off with the questions we need answered.
First Is this real or like most the OICW Promo A set of Goals?
If real How did the Chinese solve the weight issues?
second Is the grenade launcher semiautomatic or bolt action Repeater? The American Xm29 was semi auto the cost was a weight penalty, the K11 is bolt action this saved on weight by not having too build in a gas operation.
Third what is the Magazine capacity? the Xm29 was a 5 shot grenade launcher with 30 round 5.56mm for the carbine component. the K11 is 6 shot 20mm with a 30 round carbine. the carbine is probably a 30 round but the launcher?
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
The QLB-06 is not this kind of weapon the QLB is closer too the South African Milkor MK.1 MGL series or the russian RG-6 some times called 6G30. A semiautomatic grenade launcher but the QLB still differs as it's first semiautomatic and magazine feed, it's intended too be fired prone almost like a attempt too hybred a MK 19 with a M32 a sort of squad light Grenade machine gun
this weapon is not a Dedicated semi auto grenade launcher for infantry forces this is a Strategy rifle a weapon intended too change the way one fights in infantry battles. It's a Urban warfare weapon combining the self defense capabilities of a infantry assault Rifle Carbine with a compact Smart round grenade. the fire of the smart grenade though is weak compared too the regular issue Grenade launcher even compared with 35mm Chinese Grenades this weapon would still be lacking. it's only truly effective when air bursting a round though or behind light cover like firing though a window too take out a sniper or into a pill box where the air burst's shock wave would be multiplied via the compact surroundings.
It's equals would be the American Xm25, Xm29 prototype, the Korean K11, the South African Neopup PAW-20 (Personal Assault Weapon, 20 mm) by Denel or the concept of the Australian AICW.
this weapon is not a Dedicated semi auto grenade launcher for infantry forces this is a Strategy rifle a weapon intended too change the way one fights in infantry battles. It's a Urban warfare weapon combining the self defense capabilities of a infantry assault Rifle Carbine with a compact Smart round grenade. the fire of the smart grenade though is weak compared too the regular issue Grenade launcher even compared with 35mm Chinese Grenades this weapon would still be lacking. it's only truly effective when air bursting a round though or behind light cover like firing though a window too take out a sniper or into a pill box where the air burst's shock wave would be multiplied via the compact surroundings.
It's equals would be the American Xm25, Xm29 prototype, the Korean K11, the South African Neopup PAW-20 (Personal Assault Weapon, 20 mm) by Denel or the concept of the Australian AICW.
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IronsightSniper
Junior Member
I'd reckon that the Chinese solved the weight problem by their usage of those "less advanced optics".
The Ballistic computer/Thermal telescopic sight of the XM25 for example, weighs 1.15 kg alone.
If China did in fact replace that Sensor suite with a less advanced and thus lighter one, that might put the weight at that 5 kg number. 5 kg isn't that far off from "normal" actually, as the XM25 weighs only 5.45 kg unloaded and without the Sensor suite.
Just a quick add-edit, for those who don't think that OICWs are important for the near future, here's a quick graph of Realistic combat ranges the U.S. Military faces in Afghanistan:
So it's quite obvious that there is no small-caliber Infantry assault rifle in mass service today that can deal with those ranges, other than say, a OICW, with the XM25 as an example, it provides over 700 m of lethal carnage.
The Ballistic computer/Thermal telescopic sight of the XM25 for example, weighs 1.15 kg alone.
If China did in fact replace that Sensor suite with a less advanced and thus lighter one, that might put the weight at that 5 kg number. 5 kg isn't that far off from "normal" actually, as the XM25 weighs only 5.45 kg unloaded and without the Sensor suite.
Just a quick add-edit, for those who don't think that OICWs are important for the near future, here's a quick graph of Realistic combat ranges the U.S. Military faces in Afghanistan:
So it's quite obvious that there is no small-caliber Infantry assault rifle in mass service today that can deal with those ranges, other than say, a OICW, with the XM25 as an example, it provides over 700 m of lethal carnage.
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