QBZ-191 service rifle family

Abakan

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I wouldn't be surprised, for some bizarre reason norinco seems reluctant to just make a straightforward glock clone, while I haven't fired one I don't see what makes the QSZ92 so good that it's better than just making a half decent glock clone, especially since it clearly can be very cheap, just look at the Arex Delta and PSA Dagger
I mean, Norinco does have a Glock clone called NP7. But anyway, qsz92A are fine just for the military/police standard-issued pistol. I mean, if it is really fucked I don't see any reason why Chinese police purchased some Glock and put it only in the police academy rather than actual policing
 

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If the issue is wanting access to the M4 aftermarket stocks, I find that to not be very persuasive (even if it's a minor quibble).

This is the PLA we are talking about, they're not going to sign off on those sort of after market products anyhow for domestic use, and it's not like there is an existing domestic market for it to begin with.

And if they were willing to sign off on aftermarket products or producers, it's not like manufacturers couldn't simply design stocks for the QBZ-191s own interface, which given the PLA existing as a fairly large customer base will not be hard to do.


Ultimately the situation with NODs (and their mounts) and with stocks (and alternative stocks) and with handguards (and free floating alternatives) is all downstream from whether the PLA wants to issue them at scale or not.


QBZ-191 has a picatinny top on the receiver which is a firm mounting position, exactly because they were willing to proliferate glass to their troops more widely.
Things like NOD mounts, alternative stocks, and FF handguards, won't proliferate until they actually want to proliferate NODs, custom ergonomics, and IR lasers (respectively) in a similar fashion.
Nah, they do have aftermarket kits for 191/95, like this one from 甲胄战术. The main issue is whether the commander of the unit allows or not. In contrast, the Chinese SWAT or PAP units do operate with lots of aftermarket parts on their fire arms
 

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Nah, they do have aftermarket kits for 191/95, like this one from 甲胄战术. The main issue is whether the commander of the unit allows or not. In contrast, the Chinese SWAT or PAP units do operate with lots of aftermarket parts on their fire arms
Guess I was right, they do make stocks with QD cups
 

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Nah, they do have aftermarket kits for 191/95, like this one from 甲胄战术. The main issue is whether the commander of the unit allows or not. In contrast, the Chinese SWAT or PAP units do operate with lots of aftermarket parts on their fire arms

I am aware that aftermarket kits exist for QBZ-191/95 and other weapons.
I wasn't suggesting that aftermarket kits don't exist.

I was saying that wanting a M4 stock for QBZ-191 doesn't make sense because they can only be taken advantage of via aftermarket kits, which the PLA does not procure to begin with.

(And if they do, it is done at such a low level rather than in a more centralised and organized fashion that it defeats the point of having an organized procurement strategy to take advantage of said modularity for line infantry)
 

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I am aware that aftermarket kits exist.

I was saying that the PLA does not procure them.

(And if they do, it is done at such a low level rather than in a more centralised and organized fashion)
True, true. Only some PLA SOF units purchase those with organized fashion. Probably not gonna change a lot until a PLA version of SOCOM or KSSO appears
 

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True, true. Only some PLA SOF units purchase those with organized fashion. Probably not gonna change a lot until a PLA version of SOCOM or KSSO appears

Yes, the issue with these sort of aftermarket mods and even things like NODs is a lack of coordination and consistency.

If they were able to move this stuff up the echelons a little bit -- in the same way, that say an artillery brigade would not randomly choose the type of MLRS they want off the open market -- then it would of course make most of our discussion on the matter moot because it means the PLAGF would recognize and identify higher end infantry capabilities as a desirable and consistent, standardized baseline trait.
 
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