QBZ-191 service rifle family

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Based on what I have heard from foreign volunteers in Ukraine, generally speaking, the Ukrainian infantry are really poorly trained. Their basic marksmanship, fieldcraft skills, and other soldiering skills are just abysmal. They are twitchy and will accidentally commit fratricide due to lack of IFF training. Even US volunteers who were only regular infantrymen for three years in the Army or the National Guard are considered to be “elite” over there. Excluding guys in certain units like SSO (their SOF), Azov, and 3AB, the Ukies are the last example of what well-trained infantrymen should be.

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i've seen it in both sides when you are in danger zone they fear getting ambushed every second matters ,soldiers on top of armored vehicules (BTR,BMP)always have their fingers Ready,in Close quarter combat too,from gopro footage in syria in CQC there were many instance where fractions of a second made the difference between life and death

typexx said:

i've seen it in both sides when you are in danger zone they fear getting ambushed every second matters ,soldiers on top of armored vehicules (BTR,BMP)always have their fingers Ready,in Close quarter combat too,from gopro footage in syria in CQC there were many instance where fractions of a second made the difference between life and death
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Not really. The reason is that your trigger finger will be on the trigger as you simultaneously raise your rifle. After all, you still need to raise your rifle in the direction of the enemy, even if you are hip firing. Like I said, the majority of the Ukrainian infantry are poorly trained, and the Russians are no better at this point. 3 weeks of training prior to getting deployed to combat is basically nothing, especially if the three weeks aren’t utilized efficiently by the trainers.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Not really. The reason is that your trigger finger will be on the trigger as you simultaneously raise your rifle. After all, you still need to raise your rifle in the direction of the enemy, even if you are hip firing. Like I said, the majority of the Ukrainian infantry are poorly trained, and the Russians are no better at this point. 3 weeks of training prior to getting deployed to combat is basically nothing, especially if the three weeks aren’t utilized efficiently by the trainers.

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I guess that's what war of attrition does because replacements/reservists are becomming more and more important. Even the US army at one point during Iraq and Afghanistan was desperate for manpower. However in Russia's case there is a growing private initiative by Assault Unit Veterans to provide training for volunteers before they sign the contract.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Not really. The reason is that your trigger finger will be on the trigger as you simultaneously raise your rifle. After all, you still need to raise your rifle in the direction of the enemy, even if you are hip firing. Like I said, the majority of the Ukrainian infantry are poorly trained, and the Russians are no better at this point. 3 weeks of training prior to getting deployed to combat is basically nothing, especially if the three weeks aren’t utilized efficiently by the trainers.

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the pics i posted are of contracted Russian special forces if you think these are poorly trained i don't know what else i have to say

First of all, that is an appeal to authority and doesn't directly disprove my claim.

Secondly, here is a photo of one of the active elite Russian SSO teams, Senezh:

Notice how they either don’t have their hands on the pistol grip or don’t have their fingers on the trigger. The first photo you posted is of regular VDV personnel at Hostomel Airport while the second one is of Rosgvardia security personnel in Mariupol. Both photos were taken in 2022, so the quality of their personnel has “fallen” since due to the nature of attentional warfare. Neither of them are described as top-tier when compared to SSO teams.