Project 093 and 094

MIGleader

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tphuang said:
Z-9C and Ka-28 are also used for ASW. It says on huitong's site that China is looking to purchase Be-200US? Also, I'm still a little confused about how well the latest version of Yu-7 compares to Mk-46.

i heard from strategy center china was interested in ka-31's. yu-7 vs mk-46...they would have to be equal, althoug the u.s ships with advanced sonars would have an edge in using the torpedo.
 

tphuang

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well, the original yu-7 was suppose to be mk-46 mod 1, but they are up to mod 5 now? Yu-7k is the latest Chinese torpedo, right? I think we have some shkval too.

Ka-31 is more of a AEW copter than a ASW copter like Ka-28.
 

Lavi

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Is China trying to match the US sub force with thier own subs? Their going to have a problem with that, simply becuase the US have been producing world-class subs, well, since the Holland-class. The know-how they have gathered it not something you simply get in 25 years.

The Ka-31 has nothing to do with sub-hunting, it's an AEW-helicopter as noted. The Be-200 could be what China needs, it would also be nice to see Beriev landing some new defence contracts, their planes haven't been able to proove their right vlaue due the Russian lack of money.

Also to rember is that the US now uses the Mk-50/54 as their main ASW assets, and it probably should be the best ASW-torpedo in production, something which is visible on the price tag.
 

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MIGleader said:
the cbg might act as a diversion so the seawolf can slip in an attack chinese ships in port.

to counter, china should do the "saddam strategy", and fill its harbors with civilian liners that will block of its warships. any stry torpedo, even one thats a foot off, could hit a civilian liner.


Seawolf subs are the least of the problems. The first two Ohio SSGN will be finished refitting. These are former boomers from the USN and are armed with 100+ TLAMs. The Ohio subs are very hard to track on sonar, even by US subs.

A TLAM strike on Chinese ports will be very devastating.
 

MIGleader

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IDonT said:
Seawolf subs are the least of the problems. The first two Ohio SSGN will be finished refitting. These are former boomers from the USN and are armed with 100+ TLAMs. The Ohio subs are very hard to track on sonar, even by US subs.

A TLAM strike on Chinese ports will be very devastating.

yeah, i wonder how many civilians that will kill...

while china's sub fleet is not as powerful as the u.s's. its made remarkable progress in the last 15 years, with the aquisition of songs, yuans, kilos, and the 93's and 94s. the use of aip will null out much of nuclear subs advantage over diesels in the future. dont forget, this is in chinese waters. china will ste it up to how she pleases, and let the u.s come in.
 

Lavi

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MIGleader said:
yeah, i wonder how many civilians that will kill...

Probably not that many, since, as far as I know, China usually don't allow civilians to near their military installations/ships. The TLAM's precision is very good, and actually the most exact way to launch a missile is to do it from underwater, due to the fact that no vibrations are present then.

MIGleader said:
while china's sub fleet is not as powerful as the u.s's. its made remarkable progress in the last 15 years, with the aquisition of songs, yuans, kilos, and the 93's and 94s. the use of aip will null out much of nuclear subs advantage over diesels in the future. dont forget, this is in chinese waters. china will ste it up to how she pleases, and let the u.s come in.

Agree, fighting in homewaters is always an advantage. This advantage, however, largely comes from the presence of 'friendly' ASW assets, most importantly airborne patrol vessels (ships are usually able to operate as effectively, or even more effectively out in the open sea), which is a field where China is lacking. A modern fixed wing ASW-asset should be on one of the first places on the PLAN shopping list, in my opinion before the carrier.
 

IDonT

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Lavi said:
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Agree, fighting in homewaters is always an advantage. This advantage, however, largely comes from the presence of 'friendly' ASW assets, most importantly airborne patrol vessels (ships are usually able to operate as effectively, or even more effectively out in the open sea), which is a field where China is lacking. A modern fixed wing ASW-asset should be on one of the first places on the PLAN shopping list, in my opinion before the carrier.


I agree, along with Elint aircraft, tankers, more AEW. Though not as glamorous as fighters, these win wars.
 

tphuang

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did you get that from that article I posted? That's what the Taiwanese said anyhow.
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