PRC/PLAN Laser and Rail Gun Development Thread

ACuriousPLAFan

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Is it possible that it is operational?

I'd like to think that the system would've already been tested ashore and pier-side (i.e. under controlled environments) before heading out to sea for more trials under more realistic conditions. So I think yes, it is operational.

But is this in active service yet? No idea, but I think not yet.
 
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para80

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My guess, and its just that, is that PLAN uses the same approach as the US mounting these devices on various operational hulls for testing. But that does not mean the device itself is operational (rather it has limited functionality) or intended for near term procurement.
 

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ougoah

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Most powerful naval laser weapon in the PLAN or in the world I wonder. The size seems to suggest the typical 100KW to 150KW power range which is similar to what the USN is playing around with as well. Basically good for anti-droning. Not even long range anti-droning. Probably good to around 20km out at most? This is why laser weapons are a waste of space and power until the physics change so much that you can pack serious power in the same volume of space. 20km range you may as well install a CIWS with shorads that will soon have similar reach.

In any case, drones stand off ranges now are exceeding 20km with new weapons which will only ever get better. Navies with less funding to experiment with new toys don't even bother with this stuff.

PS also lasers aren't effective against hypersonic anti-ship weapons because hypersonics cover the 20km distance in about 1.5 seconds. It's also useless against sea-skimmers because sightline for laser is limited by the horizon and they're usually not mounted high up enough. Gives it like a 10km to 15km which reduces your effective range. Then you factor in detection, tracking, locking, motion of laser turret... that's leaving you with maybe a 5 second to 10 second response window for a single mach 1 to mach 2 AshM.

If naval lasers want to be a thing, they need to be able to fry through ordinance and drones within 2 seconds of lasing the target before moving onto the next target. Be able to engage well beyond 20km with that above effectiveness.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Most powerful naval laser weapon in the PLAN or in the world I wonder. The size seems to suggest the typical 100KW to 150KW power range which is similar to what the USN is playing around with as well. Basically good for anti-droning. Not even long range anti-droning. Probably good to around 20km out at most? This is why laser weapons are a waste of space and power until the physics change so much that you can pack serious power in the same volume of space. 20km range you may as well install a CIWS with shorads that will soon have similar reach.

In any case, drones stand off ranges now are exceeding 20km with new weapons which will only ever get better. Navies with less funding to experiment with new toys don't even bother with this stuff.

In the world. For longer ranges they can mission kill drones and missiles by blinding the sensors. Even for hard kill they have longer ranges than gun bases CIWS.
 

Neurosmith

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Most powerful naval laser weapon in the PLAN or in the world I wonder. The size seems to suggest the typical 100KW to 150KW power range which is similar to what the USN is playing around with as well. Basically good for anti-droning. Not even long range anti-droning. Probably good to around 20km out at most? This is why laser weapons are a waste of space and power until the physics change so much that you can pack serious power in the same volume of space. 20km range you may as well install a CIWS with shorads that will soon have similar reach.

In any case, drones stand off ranges now are exceeding 20km with new weapons which will only ever get better. Navies with less funding to experiment with new toys don't even bother with this stuff.

PS also lasers aren't effective against hypersonic anti-ship weapons because hypersonics cover the 20km distance in about 1.5 seconds. It's also useless against sea-skimmers because sightline for laser is limited by the horizon and they're usually not mounted high up enough. Gives it like a 10km to 15km which reduces your effective range. Then you factor in detection, tracking, locking, motion of laser turret... that's leaving you with maybe a 5 second to 10 second response window for a single mach 1 to mach 2 AshM.

If naval lasers want to be a thing, they need to be able to fry through ordinance and drones within 2 seconds of lasing the target before moving onto the next target. Be able to engage well beyond 20km with that above effectiveness.
The HELIOS system seems to be a scaled-down tech demonstrator for the much more capable HELCAP system (300 kW). The latter would be much more effective at downing incoming high-speed missiles.

In the world. For longer ranges they can mission kill drones and missiles by blinding the sensors. Even for hard kill they have longer ranges than gun bases CIWS.
I wonder if the Chinese system is a scaled demonstrator for a future enlarged platform, like the US HELCAP program.
 

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The HELIOS system seems to be a scaled-down tech demonstrator for the much more capable HELCAP system (300 kW). The latter would be much more effective at downing incoming high-speed missiles.


I wonder if the Chinese system is a scaled demonstrator for a future enlarged platform, like the US HELCAP program.

Whatever it is they are at the point where they are comfortable enough sending it out to sea for testing.
 
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