PRC military aviation export/sales

tamsen_ikard

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I'd guess the helicopters are all Z-10ME for Pakistan whilst the combat aircraft are most or all J-10CE but possibly some JL-9/10 variants.
China is not selling 90 J-10C to other countries.

As I have said before, because of how geopolitical situation is right now, China's potential customer list is very limited.

Arabs, the west, Latin America will not buy fighter jets from China due to being vassals of the US or fear of US.

That leaves only Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh and maybe a few ASEAN countries.

Iran probably will not buy because China will probably not sell due to its deference to US and gulf arab countries

Bangladesh and Myanmar might buy if they have the money.

Malaysia and Indonesia again too afraid to fall into the China camp and offend US, so will probably just buy something neutral and safe such as French or swedish stuff.

Africa is too poor to buy fighter jets, if they have some money in the future, they might buy from China but for foreseeable future, probably not.

Central asian countries might buy from China to appear more independent from Russia.

So far, I would say Bangladesh and central asia have the biggest potential chance. Everyone else have much lower probability of buying fighter jets from China.
 

00CuriousObserver

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Re the Serbia CM-400, I'm actually more curious about the whole kill chain. The missile itself is honestly whatever, but does it include stuff like satellite guidance? How integrated are the control systems?
 

sami_1

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"Buyer's market not a seller market" is Peak Jai Hind energy, nothing personal though.

Also that's another danger for Egypt is to think they have time to negotiate the best deal in the market:
- Only China can offer a system of systems for Egypt's air force, Russia can't build modern System of systems for themselves yet -- maybe after sometime, US won't give it to them, and Europe can't make their own system of systems without US.
- They should aim for multiple agreements rather than on grandiose agreement with China, every agreement for something they should negotiate with the mindset of giving Chinese companies the money and a suitable profit for both parties, not trying to get things in their factory cost --> which leads to longing negotiating and making china's negotiation party to move the deal in cold discussed topics for a long period.
- In islam the prophet says something around "God's mercy on the one who knows his real value", getting all high and mighty while you have existential threats and poor economy compared to your enemies is stupid.
- Egypt have stayed back for a long time and didn't participate in JF-17 project with Pakistan, because they didn't like it's quality, and yes block I & II were not good, but Block III got an AESA radar and can integrate PL-12 & PL-15 which is better than anything Egypt's air force can field -- unfortunately Pakistan have way more initiative than Egypt, Egypt should be in the same level if they want to win.

That's enough to be said for now, but it's not the end...
Negotiations between Egypt and China since

Egypt's first interest in the J-10 fighter jet was in 2010. At that time, China refused to license the SD-10 missile for production, leading to the contract's failure. The J-10B aircraft was then tested, but its capabilities were less than the F-16 Block 52, so it didn't garner much interest. However, the J-10C was superior to the F-16 Block 60 fighters, prompting serious negotiations in 2021. The actual contract was mentioned by the director of the Chinese pavilion at the El Alamein Air Show in September 2024, who stated that Egypt had contracted for an advanced Chinese aircraft, specifically a version designed for Egypt. The rest of the story is as follows: As a result of the expansion of Chinese-Egyptian arms programs, China invested $12 billion in the Suez Canal industrial zone. This isn't just about arms deals; it's about overcoming an American plan to thwart the Belt and Road Initiative, which includes the Suez Canal as a vital corridor. China's investments in Egypt aren't free or based on friendship. Rather, it is the result of joint cooperation programs. American pressure is ineffective due to the simple nature of American and Israeli plans. The true size of the deals, the announcement of timings, or the presence of weapons are matters managed between the seller and the buyer. There is a massive, undeclared industrial and arms cooperation program between China and Egypt, encompassing a wide range of manufacturing based on the economic feasibility of the arms production sector. The Egyptians study all weapons and the outcomes of wars to develop their military acquisition programs. China did not send J-10C fighters to the El Alamein Air Show arbitrarily. The head of the Chinese pavilion at the exhibition announced a deal finalized on August 19, 2024. China also does not conduct air maneuvers in Egypt simply to encourage Egyptian cooperation, but rather as part of a training and testing program for the equipment. An intensive training program was implemented on the J-10C fighters to accelerate pilots' access to better operational capabilities, similar to the acquisition of the Rafale. This involved bringing the contracted fighters to Egypt for pre-delivery training in the country of origin and also within Egypt to provide a larger number of pilots trained on them. Simply put, China's fighters From April 15th to July 2025, the aircraft remained on Egyptian soil. It stayed for over a month after the official conclusion of the maneuvers in Egypt in early May 2025, undergoing intensive training. These training programs are more extensive than mere first-time training exercises.

The JF-17 aircraft did not meet Egyptian requirements at all. Simply put, Israel possesses the F-15I, F-16I, and F-35I, and these failed to demonstrate proficiency in basic air combat skills, not only in Egypt but also in Argentina. Consequently, the Egyptians are seeking fighters capable of countering Israeli aircraft. Some of the deals being finalized are necessary to address military threats, while others are for future armament plans. Egypt is looking for weapons that have proven effective in warfare, and most of the weapons Egypt has selected have a proven track record of success. China had offered these weapons to Egypt, which led Egypt to contract with the Americans. The acceleration of arms deals between Egypt and China began in October 2023, aiming to thwart all Gulf and Israeli plans to displace Egyptians. The Palestinians and the Israeli-Indian corridor are being deterred by military deterrence. Israel will not be deterred unless it finds a state capable of confronting it. Egypt's announcement regarding the presence of Chinese weapons has specific timing dictated by Egypt. For example, the announcement of the HQ-9BE deal in Egypt is because these are defensive systems that cannot be challenged. Even if there were an objection, Egypt would have already received them. Therefore, American pressure is worthless. Consequently, the situation is now much clearer.
 
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mshrief303

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The JF-17 aircraft did not meet Egyptian requirements at all
That's called incremental progres. Block 1 & 2 was not good, but pakistan walked the ladder incrementally to get Block 3 which have an AESA radar and the ability to use PL-12 & PL-15. And in comparison, the peak of egypt air force is Mig-29m have missiles that have theoritacal range comparable with PL-12 but doesn't have AESA radar, Rafale has the radar but only with MICA for ~80km range. So JF-17 block 3 beats both.

Egypt could have got the ability to participate in manufuctring a 4gen aircraft,
they didn't historically make or even participate in 1nd,2nd or 3rd Gen aircraft. This deal was a game changer for the industralization for the middle east & Africa
and Egypt could field it in high number 100-200 aircraft, and can diverse their arsenal with some turkish armaments & sub components for instance.
Egypt can use to enlarge their base to maintain and use Chinese aircraft, and ease the integration of high end aircraft like J-35AE.
If something happen for either of them, the other can tap its industry and help them.
Pakistan & Egypt can make joint excersice for the network of countries who used it or are interested in it...etc

It's a fighter that provides a base for all countries to protect their Airspace with minimum economic cost with a non-western partner that's reliable which is China.

Any talk about "it didn't meet this requirement" or "It's worse than X aircraft" only talk about individual platform specs, but fails in strategy and defence economics. And even then, they avoid mentioning the fact that their "precious" fighters like F-16 can't field long range weapons that reach 100km because of US interference -- let alone beyond that range.
 

Blitzo

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Re the Serbia CM-400, I'm actually more curious about the whole kill chain. The missile itself is honestly whatever, but does it include stuff like satellite guidance? How integrated are the control systems?

The range of this weapon is not that long 300-400km class, which against fixed targets can be guided by satellite/INS and probably doesn't need mid course updates.

The weapon itself is probably relatively fire and forget, and not intended to hit moving targets where dynamic mid course targeting updates are needed
 
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