May be related to a defence meeting earlier this year.
Was not aware Uzbek AF operates the Mushshak.
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Maybe Tajikistan is next.
PRC military aviation export/sales
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Was not aware Uzbek AF operates the Mushshak.
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Maybe Tajikistan is next.
I think this „source“ should better be forgotten!
Uzbekistan ordered J-10CE fighter jets before the air battle on May 7th, but they have not yet been delivered. The original source of the information you linked to is Toutiao, which is not a highly credible website.
An update from Hole Hole aka Chengdu Gay Guy
Apologies for just bringing Weibo posts here. I think they are useful rumours at the very least.
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Egypt's problem is their general economic and the defence budget, Egypt's economy have a huge dependency on US and it's allies, so the US can damage their economy in a serious matter. Even so they do somethings to guard themselves, they're not like China or Russia.
So Egypt will try to make an economic buffer, so that they can hold themselves if the US did anything. And of course they'll try to delay any announcement till the last minute they can reach, so that they lessen the capability & incentives of the US to hurt them.
Egypt's not a "sexy" county to follow as a military enthusiast, they're secretive & slow.
But Ayi's notion that Egypt left the deal is off the rail, and it's not confirmed in any way. Egypt literally had a huge joint training with China, they saw J-10C & KJ-500, and I'm sure there was a lot of missiles sent to be seen. And Pak-India fight actually will solidify the deal because it hurts any westernized lobby in the air force. And lastly Egypt have around 204 F-16s, all of the pilots of this aircraft will try to push for a new aircraft rather than this flying coffin.
Also, his historic comments are completely wrong and doesn't even deserve a reply.
I always advocate for 150 jets to be procured to be the core of Egyptian air force, 75 J-10C and 75 J-35A, with 6 KJ-500. and then start co-production of JF-17 to get the quantity needed for Egypt and get rid of the F-16 -- sell it or divest it.
But this project with the missiles stocks needed, maybe will between 15-30 billion dollars maybe raised to 40B, and that with my arbitrary estimation, and Egypt defence budget is so low to do something like that. But they have to do if they want to survive.
So Egypt will try to make an economic buffer, so that they can hold themselves if the US did anything. And of course they'll try to delay any announcement till the last minute they can reach, so that they lessen the capability & incentives of the US to hurt them.
Egypt's not a "sexy" county to follow as a military enthusiast, they're secretive & slow.
But Ayi's notion that Egypt left the deal is off the rail, and it's not confirmed in any way. Egypt literally had a huge joint training with China, they saw J-10C & KJ-500, and I'm sure there was a lot of missiles sent to be seen. And Pak-India fight actually will solidify the deal because it hurts any westernized lobby in the air force. And lastly Egypt have around 204 F-16s, all of the pilots of this aircraft will try to push for a new aircraft rather than this flying coffin.
Also, his historic comments are completely wrong and doesn't even deserve a reply.
I always advocate for 150 jets to be procured to be the core of Egyptian air force, 75 J-10C and 75 J-35A, with 6 KJ-500. and then start co-production of JF-17 to get the quantity needed for Egypt and get rid of the F-16 -- sell it or divest it.
But this project with the missiles stocks needed, maybe will between 15-30 billion dollars maybe raised to 40B, and that with my arbitrary estimation, and Egypt defence budget is so low to do something like that. But they have to do if they want to survive.
The upcoming visit of MBS in Washington next week is anticipated with big defence deals being signed. Now Israels seems to have thrown a spanner into KSA's future F-35 procurement:
My Question/Inquiry: Is there any chance of KSA getting interested in J-35A program OR going for an entire production line??
Yes, I'm aware that approx. 70-80% of KSA military equipment is sourced from the United States AND China's close relationship with Iran could become an issue (Beijing also played a peacemaker role between the two rivals not so long ago), BUT STILL...Could KSA go for J-35As?
My Question/Inquiry: Is there any chance of KSA getting interested in J-35A program OR going for an entire production line??
Yes, I'm aware that approx. 70-80% of KSA military equipment is sourced from the United States AND China's close relationship with Iran could become an issue (Beijing also played a peacemaker role between the two rivals not so long ago), BUT STILL...Could KSA go for J-35As?
If you wanna give KSA a J-35, you might as well send a complementary unit to USA itself.
European and American personnel are integrated into the KSA military at a systemic level. They share bases, logistics networks, supply chains, and technicians. It was only a few years ago that PAF technicians were doing most of the field maintenance for the Saudis, complemented by other foreigners (although this is now changing to more Saudi locals). Command and advisory also has Western personnel integrated.
European and American personnel are integrated into the KSA military at a systemic level. They share bases, logistics networks, supply chains, and technicians. It was only a few years ago that PAF technicians were doing most of the field maintenance for the Saudis, complemented by other foreigners (although this is now changing to more Saudi locals). Command and advisory also has Western personnel integrated.
The risk remains for sure, on the same page with you on that.
China might consider measures similar to those debated by the US for its own fighter sales, such as selling a downgraded export version of the J-35A or implementing strict control over maintenance and updates to protect its most sensitive systems.
And given that the J-35A has yet to secure any confirmed foreign buyers, a potential deal with KSA would be a major test of China's willingness to accept technological risk for strategic gain.
You obviously would sell export version. The radar performance would not bet the same. Neither would be the passive sensors. But there needs to be a balance between being concerned about leaking secrets vs achieving geopolitical goals from exporting military platform.
I think any deal would be accompanied by very strong terms from China side on preventing Western personnel from getting close.
I think any deal would be accompanied by very strong terms from China side on preventing Western personnel from getting close.