Brumby
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Your frequent usage of "demand" is giving me a headache. We are going into circular mode.
Possible Chinese involvement in fighting ISIS
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Your frequent usage of "demand" is giving me a headache. We are going into circular mode.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Now you know how we feel for people who never explain anything when asked. I'm still waiting for what's free that China is getting from the West doing something for China that can't be for some reason identified. You're the one that has a liberal definition of freeloader. It should be easy for you to point out what generosity China is taking advantage of to give nothing in return. Is it the wondrous utopia of Iraq that was created by the West for China to have safe invested assets? But then you said China's assets are threatened. That's mean there's was no utopia that was a generous opportunity for China. The headache if of your own making.
Brumby
Major
I don't believe you are acting in good faith in the discussions. I have already addressed the notion of free loading many times.
Southern Iraq is Iraqi Shi'ites' final refuge, they will defend it, and by extension China's oil installations, with their lives. There is no need to 'hope'; IS is getting nowhere near Chinese oil installations.
And you can certainly go into strawman mode and shove words into my mouth. Here, let my quote myself: "China is victim to circumstances". In fact, let me further emphasise the important bits; "is victim to". Allow me to reiterate once more; "VICTIM".
Great, now you can elaborate your claim that I went "into denial mode" and claimed "the problem isn't there".
China would be wise not to get suckered into this. Unlike the bumbling fool Abbott, I suspect they won't. Alas, our status as perennial lackey dogs of the US means we will send forces to bombard people in the Middle East again. Now with stronger terror laws coming into effect, one step closer to a police state. Hail our grand leaders lol
Blackstone
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Lots of sensible Americans feel the same way, and few are confident of Obama in the endeavor, especially when they're reports of large differences between how the Pentagon thinks ISIS operations should be prosecuted and how Obama wants it done.This is why I say that China and every other sensible country in the world should stay out of this war. They are going to war without a strategy! Its simply bomb first and think later. What can possibly go wrong ?
Oh really? It's a bubble? What's your reason behind your claim?
Blackstone
Brigadier
Did you just graduate from PRC Internet Gestapo Academy, or is this some new Xi Jinping directive?
Lmao no. I graduated from Clive Palmer's school of international politics. And I know ASIO is monitoring this. Hey listen, I'm on your side guys!
The generals at the Pentagon will eventually win out over Obama which means a massive escalation from the current strategy. Not that I think it will work its going to be another disaster like Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq 2003. That is because they have nearly zero understanding of their enemies nor their allies or the countries they are invading or bombing. The US and the other coalition members have pin their hopes on the new Iraqi leader al-Abadi. But in my view what happened in Baghdad was merely a musical chair dance. al-Abadi comes from the same party and ideology as al-Maliki who is now the vice president of Iraq. So in my view the chances of Sunni Shia reconciliation are very poor indeed. This has been the problem with all those American wars mentioned before. They rely on the most incompetent people's to run the country after the regime change. Because only the most immoral and talentless opportunists would come to power on the backs of foreign tanks and warplanes. And those are the only kind of people that would work with the Americans in the propaganda and war phase. Not to mention that they often say what they think the Americans wants to hear. Just like Ahmed Chalabi of the INC who forgot to tell his neo con friends about his friendly contacts in Teheran. So they are the ones inheriting the power after the regime change. And then proceed to make a mess out of things! Since the US has so little knowledge and understanding about the countries and people's they are bombing they have to rely on them to run the countries after the regime change just as those people are relying on American bombs to get them into power. The reason why they have so little understanding of the rest of the world is because the politicians, intellectuals, journalist and experts often see the world through an ideological lens and people see what their ideology tells them to see and not what is actually there.
The reason why American energy independence is a myth is simply because the new energy resources are almost all shale resources. That means either fracking or mining. And that is enormously capital intensive not to mention damaging to the environment. Most of those fracking companies are high on credits and low on profits. That makes them vulnerable to future interest rate hikes. Right now interest rates in America is nearly zero. In the future there is only one way interest rate can go and that is up. Once interest rate rises a lot of these fracking companies may have to go bust. You should also know that the technology they are using that is hydraulic fracking is not something new. It already existed since 1997. Between 1997 and 2007 the industry barely grew. The industry only took off around 2008. So what happened in 2008 ? Since the bursting of the housing bubble in august of 2007 interest rate in America went from 5,25% to 0,25% in about 16 months time. And that means a massive expantion of the money and credit supply. And that's were the money comes from for all those fracking companies. If fracking was such a profitable business then why wasn't there a immediate boom when the technology came in to being ? Why wait for another 10 years before the boom ? The low interest rate of the 1990's caused the Dotcom bubble, the low interest rates of the mid 2000's caused the housing bubble and the low interest rates now are causing multiple bubbles in the economy and fracking is just one of them.
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Blackstone
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US leaders know very well what's going on in Iraq and the Middle East, as America has the best State Department and intelligence gathering organs money can buy. The problem is the political class in the US and in most democratic forms of government; elected politicians are often poorly qualified to lead the country and set military and geopolitical policies, because the qualifications to be elected are abilities to gather supporters, network the movers and shakers, raise tons of money, and out demagogue your opponents. Knowledge and experience in running businesses, governments, and combat teams are helpful, but not required. That's why we see completely unqualified individuals elected to high office in democracies. Barack Obama and Cristina Kirchner are prime examples of that.
We're in agreement Obama's Iraqi, Syrian, and Iranian policies will be miserable failures, but it's not due to lack of solid information from US agencies.
You might be right, and you might be wrong, but I'll stake my believes on data and facts, and for now they say you're wrong. Enclosed is an EIA (Energy Information Administration) analysis of US energy production and outlook.
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