PLAN Type 051B/C Class Destroyers

Tyloe

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According to producer "Almaz-Antey":

Rif-M:
8 simultaneously engaged targets, 16 missiles per salvo. Distance (min-max) 2km-150km, Altitude (min-max) 7m-30000m. 48N6, 48N6D and 9M96 missiles.

Rif: 6 simultaneously engaged targets, 12 missiles per salvo. Distance (min-max) 8km-120km, Altitude (min-max) 10m-25000m. 48N6 missile.

Export version on 051C corresponds to Russian Rif.

That's cause they use two S-300fm systems which were bought in 2002 when HHQ9 was immature.
 

FORBIN

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Well it appears that the refit to 051B Shenzhen is complete.

Here's a photo of the vessel showing her new outfit.
From what i can see armament wise:-
The 8-cell HQ-7 SAM having been replaced by a VLS, and 2 type 1130 CIWS systems replacing the older 37mm guns. Can anyone else see any other notable changes?

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Sure refit completed back soon to Zhanjiang.
 

Jeff Head

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...and now here is how she went forward and complete4d that refit, with a very decent sensor and weapons fit that makes her VERY relevant in the PLAN's order of battle for many years to come:

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...and with her VLS, with her large 16 missile ASM loadout, with her ASW electronics, sonar, etc, with her new sensors...as I say, she is now an effective multi-role DDG...and particularly for ASuW and ASW.
 

Iron Man

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051C use same radar as CGN Velikiy Tombstone can eng. simult 6 targets but 2 missiles guided on each it is not negligible ofc much less than AEGIS like don' t know for Chinese but all others btw 12/22, the best with SPG-2 is the US.

Velikiy have also as first Kirov and Slava predecessor of Tombstone, the Top Dome ( 2 for first Kirov ) can eng. simult 3 targets, 2 missiles guided on each.
So Velikiy is more capable can eng. simult 9 targets but clearly less as an AEGIS like.

Others ships with less big fire control radars in general engage 1/2 targets by radar, btw 2/6 max
With MR-90 Front Dome as Chinese 054A, 051B etc... 1 target by radar Sovremn have 6, 054A, 052B x 4.

In more SA-N-20 /S-300FM is ABM up to 40 km ( as S-300PM/PMU 1/2 ) possible also HHQ-9 very close i have HQ-9 up to 25 km.

Remains to know if these combattants with her radars are able to destroy BM.
The point is that the Tombstone has a limited arc of coverage, probably 90 degrees or thereabouts, which limits simultaneous engagements to only targets within that arc. If you send 6 missiles from 6 different directions towards the 051C, the Tombstone could only engage at most 1 or 2 at a time, meaning some or most will get through, leaving only the CIWS, countermeasures, and ECM to protect the ship.

The US SPY-1/SPG-62 combination works somewhat differently, as each SPG-62 is a separate illuminator that can provide multi-axis coverage when used in multiples; the Arleigh Burke has 3 of these and the Ticonderoga has 4.
 

Jeff Head

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Well, I got my old (and I mean and antiquated, ten year old model kit) model kit of the Type 052, Qingdao, 113, built. Here's the thread on SD:

Type 052 Qingdao, 113, in 1/350 scale

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tphuang

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there is no way this thing has similar capability to the original 052C.
 

Jeff Head

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I'd say this No.167 Shenzen destroyer would have similar overall capability between 054A and original 052C
The refitted 167 has a similar anti-air capability to the 054A, but it is much stronger in ASuW and also stronger in ASW thatn the Type 054A.

The Type 052C has a MUCH stronger anti-air capability than either of them, particularly in area coverage, but with only one helo is weaker in ASW than the 167, and with only eight ASMs, also weaker in ASuW because the 167 has 16 ASMs.

The 167 is a one off, powerful multi-role DDG now...but still not strong in area AAW coverage...however, much stronger than it was before.
 

joshuatree

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The refitted 167 has a similar anti-air capability to the 054A, but it is much stronger in ASuW and also stronger in ASW thatn the Type 054A.

The Type 052C has a MUCH stronger anti-air capability than either of them, particularly in area coverage, but with only one helo is weaker in ASW than the 167, and with only eight ASMs, also weaker in ASuW because the 167 has 16 ASMs.

The 167 is a one off, powerful multi-role DDG now...but still not strong in area AAW coverage...however, much stronger than it was before.

I wonder how difficult it would be to upgrade the 052Bs into 052Cs?
 
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